cptenaud says: This opinion piece says it all, says it well, and leaves but only one conclusion given the American people will reject THE DRAFT, allow Congress and this President to continue expoliting, using, abusing, the few select souls either foolish enough of willing to be the jest of abuse, then ONLY our troops can end IRAQINAM.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20070921/cm_usatoday/thesoldiersburden;_ylt=Aod.RvtTyy84cyTTz6Wj2ZhkM3wV
Anyone wondering why the debate over the Iraq war is so frustrating and likely to remain so need only look at the choice the U.S. Senate faced this week. Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., proposed an amendment that, on its face, no reasonable American could object to. Webb wanted to guarantee troops at least the same amount of time at home as they've spent on deployments. A year in Iraq, a year at home, and so on.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20070921/cm_usatoday/thesoldiersburden;_ylt=Aod.RvtTyy84cyTTz6Wj2ZhkM3wV
Anyone wondering why the debate over the Iraq war is so frustrating and likely to remain so need only look at the choice the U.S. Senate faced this week. Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., proposed an amendment that, on its face, no reasonable American could object to. Webb wanted to guarantee troops at least the same amount of time at home as they've spent on deployments. A year in Iraq, a year at home, and so on.
If we see a Draft college enrollments will rise dramatically.
Reading excerpts from a possible resolution for a draft it seems that a new draft law will not allow for education deferments, only those based on physical capability...a couple of proposals also note that even women could be called, although that is unlikely, since women are not required to sign up for the Selective Service (which is where the names of the "chosen" would be drawn from).
The Iraq debate, in my opinion, will go nowhere until after the 2008 election. The Republicans know they are gonna lose the white house, and probably lose more house and senate seats. They are resigned to that and will not do anything at this point to desert this president. The Dems wanna make this their election issue which will almost guarantee them the white house. We shall have to wait until January '09 to see any real action.
This opinion piece is out of a anti War left rag. The "boots on the ground" would love to bury themselves of the arses of the idiots who penned this trash.
You go to any organization, you will find someone embittered who has the impression he has been wronged. Even the nutcases within Moveon.org have idiots who would publish an anti Left rant.
If you are idiotic to believe such drivel, then you would believe Hillary isn't a lesbo. Or nonsense like our own military took down the towers on 9-11.
Thank God for President Bush and God bless America!
You go to any organization, you will find someone embittered who has the impression he has been wronged. Even the nutcases within Moveon.org have idiots who would publish an anti Left rant.
If you are idiotic to believe such drivel, then you would believe Hillary isn't a lesbo. Or nonsense like our own military took down the towers on 9-11.
Thank God for President Bush and God bless America!
So only soldiers that agree with your position are worth listening to. I wonder pk, are you worshiping empty uniforms or are you respecting the men and women wearing them?
PK has no respect for the troops. Because he pretends
to be a Vietnam Veteran. I have called him out on that , and he has not responded. There is nothing worse then
a coward who never fought in any war. Pretending he
did, and making false statements. He also is pretending
to know four languages. One of which is Arabic.
I guess if your a liar. You might as well go big. But all
PK is, is a big bag of wind.
to be a Vietnam Veteran. I have called him out on that , and he has not responded. There is nothing worse then
a coward who never fought in any war. Pretending he
did, and making false statements. He also is pretending
to know four languages. One of which is Arabic.
I guess if your a liar. You might as well go big. But all
PK is, is a big bag of wind.
PK, is what CP says true. Are you or are you not a Vietnam vet? That seems like a reasonable question to ask.
USS Brownson DD-868 1968
Mafish hagga mish mumpkin. Ente kelb.
Mafish hagga mish mumpkin. Ente kelb.
On a destroyer! In 68! wow, thats heroic service my friend...not.
On a destroyer! In 68! wow, thats heroic service my friend...not.This from a bed-wetting blogger.
A swift boater. No wonder.
And 100% service connected disability. Is that from
sea sickness?
I see your trying to use Arabic. Which one of the 30
types is it. It doesn't translate to anything the way you have written it. Maybe you got part of it from here.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,972401,00.html?promoid=googlep
Maybe someone who speaks this language can help
to translate it.
And 100% service connected disability. Is that from
sea sickness?
I see your trying to use Arabic. Which one of the 30
types is it. It doesn't translate to anything the way you have written it. Maybe you got part of it from here.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,972401,00.html?promoid=googlep
Maybe someone who speaks this language can help
to translate it.
What you want to smell my sheets now? Kinky....and gross...I don't bend that way.
I've refrained from commenting on my service because I know how you ignoramuses respond (see above). I know with a certainty that none of the above idiotic comments are accurate, and those posting same have never had the honor or courage to serve their country. You loathsome people take advantage of the freedoms your brothers and sisters are dying to preserve.
I actually pity you, as you will never know the satisfaction and sweetness of going in harm's way with your brothers, and will never know the deep pride of having served a country you love. You seem to resemble the little brown blobs that hang around ships at anchor when there is no tide running. You will bob your way through th...
I actually pity you, as you will never know the satisfaction and sweetness of going in harm's way with your brothers, and will never know the deep pride of having served a country you love. You seem to resemble the little brown blobs that hang around ships at anchor when there is no tide running. You will bob your way through th...
"having had no useful purpose in the great scheme of things, other than feeding a few bottom feeders. "
total agreement here, pkronfield
total agreement here, pkronfield
Such rant from a non com. Still have not heard answers
to my questions. I guess hiding behind pretend valor
is your easy way out.
I am a real soldier who fought on the land and in the
jungles. I saw the people up front and personal. And I
know what real fighting is all about.
I am Duane Stolldorf...Mike company 3rd battalion 5th
Marines. If you want to see what real war is. Get off
your boat and come on shore.
http://www.securenet.net/3rdbn5th/mike35/diabo.htm
This is where I got my third purple heart. And where
21 kids died in a 15 minute fire fight.
http://www.combatwife.net/NVABaseCamp.htm
This is the home page.
http://www.combatwife.net/
to my questions. I guess hiding behind pretend valor
is your easy way out.
I am a real soldier who fought on the land and in the
jungles. I saw the people up front and personal. And I
know what real fighting is all about.
I am Duane Stolldorf...Mike company 3rd battalion 5th
Marines. If you want to see what real war is. Get off
your boat and come on shore.
http://www.securenet.net/3rdbn5th/mike35/diabo.htm
This is where I got my third purple heart. And where
21 kids died in a 15 minute fire fight.
http://www.combatwife.net/NVABaseCamp.htm
This is the home page.
http://www.combatwife.net/
Why should I fight for a country that is not my own?
What is so sweet about killing and dying for something i don't believe in? Or for a lie? A feed from no such place, for they do not guarantee my freedoms.
I mean really, what was so dangerous about serving on a destroyer in 1968, unless somebody stuck a round the wrong way on the 5-inch guns?
Now if you where talking about destroyer duty in the Pacific (or Atlantic) say circa 1944-45, thats a different story. Facing enemy U-Boats, mines or kamikazes, thats a completely different story. But you don't measure up to those men, those citizen-soldiers. Not by a long shot.
War do not make men great, never have, never will. Either you have it or you don't and in your case, ya don't.
What is so sweet about killing and dying for something i don't believe in? Or for a lie? A feed from no such place, for they do not guarantee my freedoms.
I mean really, what was so dangerous about serving on a destroyer in 1968, unless somebody stuck a round the wrong way on the 5-inch guns?
Now if you where talking about destroyer duty in the Pacific (or Atlantic) say circa 1944-45, thats a different story. Facing enemy U-Boats, mines or kamikazes, thats a completely different story. But you don't measure up to those men, those citizen-soldiers. Not by a long shot.
War do not make men great, never have, never will. Either you have it or you don't and in your case, ya don't.
Cptenaud, it is incomprehensible how a jar head with combat experience can have the attitude you do. I suspect you support that bag of wind Murtha too. The only thing I can think of is you must have been a draftee, but I didn't think the Marines drafted during VN.
Just curious. Did you know a Randy Smith from Toledo OH? He served two tours in Nam and was my high school bud. He came home and died by a drug overdose, and when I knew him the strongest drug he ever did was beer. Randy had a black belt in Judo when I knew him in Toledo.
Finally, I respect you because you obviously walked through fire whether you volunteered for it or not. Thank you for your service.
I was a grad of the ...
Just curious. Did you know a Randy Smith from Toledo OH? He served two tours in Nam and was my high school bud. He came home and died by a drug overdose, and when I knew him the strongest drug he ever did was beer. Randy had a black belt in Judo when I knew him in Toledo.
Finally, I respect you because you obviously walked through fire whether you volunteered for it or not. Thank you for your service.
I was a grad of the ...
It is not hard to understand you PK. Most non combatants who wore a uniform and never saw the
reality of war. Talk big like John Wayne. He also was
a non combatant. He was also known to be gay.
Surprising what huff and puff people, really are hiding
from.
And I know you are a fraud and can prove it. Like most liars, they come up with stories that can not be backed up with the reality. You have made such a mistake.
pkronfield18
USS Brownson DD-868 1968
Mafish hagga mish mumpkin. Ente kelb.
Your statement made by you on this very clip. Now
the proof you are a liar. This taken from Navy records
on the ship you claim to have been on in 1968.
She continued to operate along the East Coast a...
reality of war. Talk big like John Wayne. He also was
a non combatant. He was also known to be gay.
Surprising what huff and puff people, really are hiding
from.
And I know you are a fraud and can prove it. Like most liars, they come up with stories that can not be backed up with the reality. You have made such a mistake.
pkronfield18
USS Brownson DD-868 1968
Mafish hagga mish mumpkin. Ente kelb.
Your statement made by you on this very clip. Now
the proof you are a liar. This taken from Navy records
on the ship you claim to have been on in 1968.
She continued to operate along the East Coast a...
We all live in a yellow submarine
When you're 60, pal, you forget dates, especially when they are over 30 years ago.
1967
September 1966 found the Brownson preparing for deployment to the Far East with Destroyer Squadron 20. From October 1966 until April 1967, she took part in a seven month cruise around the world. While on this trip, the Brownson proudly participated in the Combat Zone off the coast of Viet Nam while operating with the 7th Fleet. She provided naval gunfire support for allied ground operations, and also provided plane guard escort duty for carrier operation in the Gulf of Tonkin. The ship spent the first 20 days of February 1967 on the "Gunline" off the coast of South Viet Nam. She fired over 3200 rounds o...
1967
September 1966 found the Brownson preparing for deployment to the Far East with Destroyer Squadron 20. From October 1966 until April 1967, she took part in a seven month cruise around the world. While on this trip, the Brownson proudly participated in the Combat Zone off the coast of Viet Nam while operating with the 7th Fleet. She provided naval gunfire support for allied ground operations, and also provided plane guard escort duty for carrier operation in the Gulf of Tonkin. The ship spent the first 20 days of February 1967 on the "Gunline" off the coast of South Viet Nam. She fired over 3200 rounds o...
PK is such a tough warrior he banned me from commenting on his clips. It is incomprehensible how one who bleats his claim of defense of freedom chooses to deny it. Gotta say, PK, I'm really impressed by your bravery.
PK is a....Centurion:
Centurion tries to gain tactical advantage in battle by asserting that he is, or was at one time, in the military. He affects the brusque demeanor and clipped style of a drill sergeant, and intimidates opponents by sprinkling his messages with military verbiage and obscure acronyms. He reinforces weak arguments by constantly reminding other Warriors that he has “done his duty”, or “served his country”. Sometimes Centurion may even post pictures of military hardware or images of himself in fatigues brandishing a weapon. Centurion may actually have a military background, or he may just be a nut ...
PK;
Your excuse is bull. And I knew you would pull this.
Anyone who fought in a war would never displace a
date in time. So your next mission if you are not a coward. Will be to sign in here.
http://www.veteransforamerica.org/
You will give them your military stats. They will then
verify your service. If you are not what you say you
are. They will file charges against you. Impersonating
a military position is a crime.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1666614/posts
Your excuse is bull. And I knew you would pull this.
Anyone who fought in a war would never displace a
date in time. So your next mission if you are not a coward. Will be to sign in here.
http://www.veteransforamerica.org/
You will give them your military stats. They will then
verify your service. If you are not what you say you
are. They will file charges against you. Impersonating
a military position is a crime.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1666614/posts
I looked at that link you gave and I refuse to join. Does that make me a liar too?
It makes me wonder why you would defend a pretend
warrior. Maybe you are not who you say you are. If you
have a son in the military like you said you do. Then it
would seem odd, that you would defend such dishonorable people.
But if you have such a comment. Then I believe it is,
because you also have something to hide.
warrior. Maybe you are not who you say you are. If you
have a son in the military like you said you do. Then it
would seem odd, that you would defend such dishonorable people.
But if you have such a comment. Then I believe it is,
because you also have something to hide.
All liars ar not Fascists, but all Fascists are liars.
But if you have such a comment. Then I believe it is,My biggest problem with filling out the request for the newsletter is because I keep my screen name separate from my real name. I do this because I am job hunting and I don't want my history to come up and bite me in the ass. I hope you can appreciate that and if you can't I am sorry for you.
because you also have something to hide.
I am not defending anyone. I don't care that much. If someone wants to pretend he is a soldier I don't care. If you want to pretend to 'know' people from their comments I don't care either. Consider this: Someones validity is proportional to the amount of sway they have on your opinions. What ...
I was MARG3 of 84 and MARG2 of 85. I was Blue One Salvage and NCTC Gulfport. I needed an executive order to lock and load even under fire on the beach. I secured and built the camp at the airport and I helped build the chowhall in the basement of the barracks. I was on the team that helped clear the rubble at the embasy. I made a beer run, got lost in a whiteout and ended up 1 mile from Russia in a weapons carrier with 15 cases of beer in it.
Your excuse is worthless. This is a real military organization. Your information is kept as safe as the
Veterans Administration. Probably safer, because they don't take their work home with them. They are actually
the offshoot of the Vietnam Veterans Org.
And MARG3 MARG2 Does not exist in military records.
Veterans Administration. Probably safer, because they don't take their work home with them. They are actually
the offshoot of the Vietnam Veterans Org.
And MARG3 MARG2 Does not exist in military records.
Something about you, cptenaud, still strikes me as phony. No jarhead who saw action would talk like you and have the far left viewpoints (except maybe Lee Harvey Oswald or that fatass Murtha). I don't think you were ever a Marine. You may have been in the army, and you may have served in Nam, but your whine about your lost buddies (with no mention of how many gooks you killed as payback) tells me you were probably army and probably drafted.
I think it is you who fills the "Centurian" profile. I have never demanded proof from anyone about their service. Either they have done the honorable thing and served, or they didn't.
So... with all that battle, did you come out with a service ...
I think it is you who fills the "Centurian" profile. I have never demanded proof from anyone about their service. Either they have done the honorable thing and served, or they didn't.
So... with all that battle, did you come out with a service ...
PK, I have no military experience. 4F for childhood cancer, the result of rigid establishment thinking. So, if you don't like that, too friggin' bad. It taught me a very important lesson in a very visceral way... "question authority". That said, your comment "No jarhead who saw action would talk like you and have the far left viewpoints" shows what a nose up somebody else's butt kind of guy you are. Can't think for yourself; gotta follow someone else. You really are a case, dude.
bartender, it is funny how you attack pkronfeild and ignore the provocation of cptenaud. Surely you can be more objective than that.
And MARG3 MARG2 Does not exist in military records.Look up
Mediterranean Atlantic Ready Group in CINCLANTFLT in the 1980's
Stop being such a dickhead!
NAB Littlecreek
Amphibious Task Force 2
SeaBees
Amphibious Task Force 2
SeaBees
I have joined 2 vet related clubs online and have been spammed to death. I am registered with vet friends and never once have I seen any of my service buddies. I did find on guy but I lost his email address when my windows 95 pc burned up. I keep checking my old emails hoping he will write again but no avail.
I know many people that have served my country and many more that claim to. Do I question their honesty - NO. Its honorable to me that they wish to be associated with as serving their country. Not everyone is able to serve in the armed forces - It is enough for me that they wanted to.
I know many people that have served my country and many more that claim to. Do I question their honesty - NO. Its honorable to me that they wish to be associated with as serving their country. Not everyone is able to serve in the armed forces - It is enough for me that they wanted to.
Your excuse is worthlessThere is a difference between an excuse and a reason.
I don't care enough for you to make an excuse. Your opinions are just as worthless to me as your viewpoints.
I don't care if you believe me or not - I'm just giving you a hard time because you are so fanatical about it all.
Be well.
I have more respect for those that served than those that didn't but I still respect the non-coms because they are my fellow citizens. A little respect is what everyone deserves.
I have more respect for those that served than those that didn't but I still respect the non-coms because they are my fellow citizens. A little respect is what everyone deserves.Well said. The rest of this thread thankfully, is composed of electrons and will recycle whether you do it or not.
LOL
PK and all you other shit brains. I already gave you my information. You can find it at the links I gave you. But neither of you will go there. Because you no your full of bull.
As for what you call a VA ID card. It is now a VIC card.
But you wouldn't know that if you weren't in the military.
And you should describe your DAV life member card.
I also have one of those. Funny you forgot to mention that.
But don't worry about proving your a liar. This entire clip will be on my next blog in the Veterans For America. You know, the organization that takes your real name and service stats. Because they don't like pretend warriors. And we are man enough to state our real name.
As for what you call a VA ID card. It is now a VIC card.
But you wouldn't know that if you weren't in the military.
And you should describe your DAV life member card.
I also have one of those. Funny you forgot to mention that.
But don't worry about proving your a liar. This entire clip will be on my next blog in the Veterans For America. You know, the organization that takes your real name and service stats. Because they don't like pretend warriors. And we are man enough to state our real name.
PK and all you other shit brains.Funny! Imagine that. Quasimoto ridiculing others mental capacity. I knew your face rang a bell ! No need to remove your blog. I like it.
Hey Rambo, my DAV card is silver, Life Member, TX 9 Chapter, member number 42009100816, seal of Disabled American Veterans on the upper left.
I did begin to register on your Veterans for America website quite some time ago, but quickly realized it was a leftist anti war scam and signed off. It's probably funded by MoveOn.
Now a little quiz on your M-16 with which, hopefully, you greased some gooks with before you started your whine. Your bolt can be field stripped down to how many components? What tool is commonly used for cleaning the gas discharge orifaces in said bolt? What happens if you fire the weapon without the retaining pin in the bolt? What is the function of green tip amm...
I did begin to register on your Veterans for America website quite some time ago, but quickly realized it was a leftist anti war scam and signed off. It's probably funded by MoveOn.
Now a little quiz on your M-16 with which, hopefully, you greased some gooks with before you started your whine. Your bolt can be field stripped down to how many components? What tool is commonly used for cleaning the gas discharge orifaces in said bolt? What happens if you fire the weapon without the retaining pin in the bolt? What is the function of green tip amm...
All your questions are ridicules. Anyone can Google and get them. Plus I didn't have an M16. I was a sniper. But if you want that answer go to any of these sources.
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=M-16&btnG=Google+Search
As for R&R you had a choice of where to go. Japan was the top choice. I never made it because I spent my time in Danang getting fixed up from three separate wounds. I don't think you got R&R because you only did 20 days offshore in Vietnam.
If you really want proof. And proof is a two way street here. Then you and I can go to our VSOs in our area. Tell them the problem we have. And they can verify all we ...
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=M-16&btnG=Google+Search
As for R&R you had a choice of where to go. Japan was the top choice. I never made it because I spent my time in Danang getting fixed up from three separate wounds. I don't think you got R&R because you only did 20 days offshore in Vietnam.
If you really want proof. And proof is a two way street here. Then you and I can go to our VSOs in our area. Tell them the problem we have. And they can verify all we ...
The VFW is very strict - they demand a DD-214 proving service in a foreign war - before you can join. You still seem to disparage "20 days offshore Vietnam".
There lies the difference between us. 1) I am not embittered about my service. 2) I honor all servicemen and women, even the support jocks who never saw combat, and even the Air National Guard pilots who risked their lives each time they strapped on a Starfighter, 3) I respect and honor our elected President, and especially support him and the administration during this global conflict.
I disparage those who deserted the armed forces both during Nam and the present conflict. I disparage those who avoided the draft in Nam, and mos...
There lies the difference between us. 1) I am not embittered about my service. 2) I honor all servicemen and women, even the support jocks who never saw combat, and even the Air National Guard pilots who risked their lives each time they strapped on a Starfighter, 3) I respect and honor our elected President, and especially support him and the administration during this global conflict.
I disparage those who deserted the armed forces both during Nam and the present conflict. I disparage those who avoided the draft in Nam, and mos...
And you still dodge proving you were in the military.
I guess you are trying to baffle me with bullshit.
Ain`t happening dude.
I guess you are trying to baffle me with bullshit.
Ain`t happening dude.
The more I think about it, you're the dodge.
You were trained with the M-16 and if you are telling the truth you should be intimately aware of the weapon. So answer the questions, hero. The bolt components. Green tip. Frag grenade. Where did you go to boot, and when and who was your DI.
Now we see who the real liar is here...
You were trained with the M-16 and if you are telling the truth you should be intimately aware of the weapon. So answer the questions, hero. The bolt components. Green tip. Frag grenade. Where did you go to boot, and when and who was your DI.
Now we see who the real liar is here...
Anyone being objective can tell cptenaud is full of it, pkronfield. Your work is done here.
Thanks, Willhelm.
Adios to this thread.
Adios to this thread.
Your a complete idiot PK.
I was trained at camp Pendelton. We were trained on the M14. We were told when we get to Nam we will be trained in the weapon we are issued. They didn't have enough M16s to give the Marines. Something you don't know because you were a sailor. Fact is the Marines got what the army didn't need. We also had Hawk missiles. Do you know what they are? There the antiques of the army that were then given the Marines. Because the army got the Nikies.
All the other questions you ask are just skirting what
I have asked of you.Prove your a Veteran, But you just
wont do it. Makes one wonder.
And tell you the name of my DI. OK it was Alfred E.
Newman. Now you really know I'm telling the truth.
What a moron.
I was trained at camp Pendelton. We were trained on the M14. We were told when we get to Nam we will be trained in the weapon we are issued. They didn't have enough M16s to give the Marines. Something you don't know because you were a sailor. Fact is the Marines got what the army didn't need. We also had Hawk missiles. Do you know what they are? There the antiques of the army that were then given the Marines. Because the army got the Nikies.
All the other questions you ask are just skirting what
I have asked of you.Prove your a Veteran, But you just
wont do it. Makes one wonder.
And tell you the name of my DI. OK it was Alfred E.
Newman. Now you really know I'm telling the truth.
What a moron.
Bingo. USMC basic training facilities are at two locations and Pendleton is not one of them.
And what do anti-aircraft missile batteries have to do with a supposed sniper??
Finally the Nike system far predated the Hawk, which were replaced in the '90's by the Patriot.
You and the Christmas goose have much in common dickhead.
And what do anti-aircraft missile batteries have to do with a supposed sniper??
Finally the Nike system far predated the Hawk, which were replaced in the '90's by the Patriot.
You and the Christmas goose have much in common dickhead.
Camp Pendleton and Camp Lejeune were the two training stations for Nam.
But what would a sailor know about that?
http://www.rogermarty.com/
Now tell me pretender. Your 10% disability. Did you get a purple heart with that?
Because I got one with two clusters. And I can take a picture to prove it.
But what would a sailor know about that?
http://www.rogermarty.com/
Now tell me pretender. Your 10% disability. Did you get a purple heart with that?
Because I got one with two clusters. And I can take a picture to prove it.
Not smart enough to DUCK?
Stupid comment from a so called service man. Your a pretend warrior yourself.
No I'm not.
A Warrior that is, But I am pretend
This whole conversation seems pointless. We can all sit around and shoot the shit, throw a litttle testosterone around and bask in the glory of our days days in the service. In the end however it is still just shit. In the end we have all joined the ranks of the American armchair warrior. The difference would be in perception, how we perceive the war. I perceive it as a total waste of human life. No matter what we do or how long we stay Iraq will eventually fall apart. If you argue the point that a pull out would disrespect harm the moral our soldiers then I would argue that Serving multiple tours of duty, death and no real goals are already having the greatest affect on those two f...
I'm just being imagined by you, cptenaud. I haven't really left any comments on this clip.
I'm actually not even a participant of Clipmarks.
I'm all in your head.
I'm standing behind you right now.
You looked, didn't you?
LOL, Geshizar I agree. Its all so petty.
My contributions to this thread were because I couldn't stand all the call-outs being made.
I served my country and did what I was told to do even tho I didn't understand or agree with the commands. I've seen death and destruction, Smelled the Decay in the streets and witnessed the deaths of masses of people.
Does that make me a warrior, no. Did I serve my country, yes. For 7 years.
Am I entitled to my opinion, of coarse.
Have I lied about my service? No. I had adventures and hum-drum days but those experiences have made me who I am.
Do I believe anyone else has served our country? I don't care. If you say you did I will take you at your word. I...
My contributions to this thread were because I couldn't stand all the call-outs being made.
I served my country and did what I was told to do even tho I didn't understand or agree with the commands. I've seen death and destruction, Smelled the Decay in the streets and witnessed the deaths of masses of people.
Does that make me a warrior, no. Did I serve my country, yes. For 7 years.
Am I entitled to my opinion, of coarse.
Have I lied about my service? No. I had adventures and hum-drum days but those experiences have made me who I am.
Do I believe anyone else has served our country? I don't care. If you say you did I will take you at your word. I...
f you are idiotic to believe such drivel, then you would believe Hillary isn't a lesbo.OMG, imagine a ice cold lesbo nazi bitch in a position of power--wait a sec isn't that Condi???
*LMAO*
Oh Deb, you always seem to be reading my mind. Well put my dear friend. Of course whether Condi is gay or not, she sure is a cold bitch.
OMG, imagine a ice cold lesbo nazi bitch in a position of power--wait a sec isn't that Condi???I do not know who made the comment you referred to, but it was uncalled for. However, your comment is an example of the pure hatred that I have come to expect from you, debbyski.
It was Pkronfield Willhelm, the same guy that said Camp Pendleton wasn't a basic training during the Vietnam war. My cousin took his basic training there.
Well, if your cousin was in in the Vitenam War, and you are telling the truth, then pkronfield is wrong. However, that has nothing to do with Condi Rice or your vile and hatred attack on her.
Willie, this is a serious question. Is your opinion that Debby made a hateful attack on Condi based on the fact that she referred to her as a lesbian?
Willie, this is a serious question. Is your opinion that Debby made a hateful attack on Condi based on the fact that she referred to her as a lesbian?Of course! It certainly wouldn't have anything to do with calling Condi a ice cold nazi bitch noooooo... of course it was the lesbo part.
Bitdrifter, I do not know why you felt my question required a sarcastic response. I was simply asking Willie if he was referring to Condi being referred to as a lesbian. I already assumed that calling her a Nazi bitch was inappropriate which is why I did not wish to repeat the remark. I was truly and sincerely interested in whether Willie had feelings about the Lesbian issue. Why the sarcasm, Bitdrifter? Wouldn't it be more civil to ask the questioner about his or her intentions before heaping sarcasm on them?
Willhelm is protecting all Republicons and pretend warriors. Especially those who speak 4 different languages. Has a huge longhorn ranch in Texas. Has had many women but doesn't know if he is a father. Thinks he cant be a father because he had his balls to close to a nuclear device on board a destroyer. Which is strange because that destroyer is not nuclear powered.
I mean really. The more PK talks the more unbelievable his story gets. And he cant produce anything I ask of him. Did I ask too much. Or does he have nothing to show for?
And he was the one who attacked me first. Remember Rambo in first blood? We always let them draw first blood. Then we cut them down. And I think you can see. He`s Bye Bye.
I mean really. The more PK talks the more unbelievable his story gets. And he cant produce anything I ask of him. Did I ask too much. Or does he have nothing to show for?
And he was the one who attacked me first. Remember Rambo in first blood? We always let them draw first blood. Then we cut them down. And I think you can see. He`s Bye Bye.
I already assumed that calling her a Nazi bitch was inappropriateOh so sorry, I missed the part where you called the remark inappropriate, prior to my comment. Eyes are odviously going out on me.
Zasel, I think it would be more appropriate to question Debbyski's use of the word lesbo in conjunction with the words nazi and bitch to determine whether her usage of that particular word was intended as hateful, or not.
I may be the last on Earth to know, but I am not aware that Condi is a "lesbo" , a "Nazi", or a "bitch". So I can only assume that they were all hateful slanders.
Debbyski, is full of hateful rhetoric and propagandist clips, so my comment was much more broadly focused. Also, her patronizing and self-serving, fall-all-over-herself expression of love for homosexuals is rather empty. Do you not think?
I may be the last on Earth to know, but I am not aware that Condi is a "lesbo" , a "Nazi", or a "bitch". So I can only assume that they were all hateful slanders.
Debbyski, is full of hateful rhetoric and propagandist clips, so my comment was much more broadly focused. Also, her patronizing and self-serving, fall-all-over-herself expression of love for homosexuals is rather empty. Do you not think?
*LOL* Willhelm,
You are so funny, and such a hypocrite.
You are so funny, and such a hypocrite.
Willie, as far as the your comments that you find Deb's expression of love of homosexuals being empty is concerned, what is it that makes you feel that way? You asked if I agree, and at this point I would have to say no.
I find Deb to be extremely supportive of gays, but I see nothing at all wrong with that. It is rather refreshing to tell you the truth. All my life, I have read and heard horribly hateful comments and witnessed terrible actions against gays, so reading positive comments and ideas is not something I find at all disturbing.
I find Deb to be extremely supportive of gays, but I see nothing at all wrong with that. It is rather refreshing to tell you the truth. All my life, I have read and heard horribly hateful comments and witnessed terrible actions against gays, so reading positive comments and ideas is not something I find at all disturbing.
Is this clip indicative about your feelings for gays Willhelm?
http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/47102EF2-AE6F-4D77-91FD-45A8991FDFC6/
http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/47102EF2-AE6F-4D77-91FD-45A8991FDFC6/
Deb, thank you for providing the link to Willie's clip about the gay festival in San Francisco.
Willie, does that clip and your comments truly indicate how you feel about us gays? I am asking this question, not attacking you. I really DO want to know how you feel about gay people.
Willie, does that clip and your comments truly indicate how you feel about us gays? I am asking this question, not attacking you. I really DO want to know how you feel about gay people.
Is this clip indicative about your feelings for gays Willhelm?No, It is what I think about those gays their actions. It was disrespectful and hateful. I do not apologize for my disrespect to them.
does that clip and your comments truly indicate how you feel about us gays?No, It is what I think about those gays their actions. It was
disrespectful and hateful. I do not apologize for my disrespect to them.
I really DO want to know how you feel about gay people.I feel about gay people the same as I do about all peope.
That is the difference in me and Debbyski. She feels differently about gay people. She's the one drawing distinctions. She i...
Let me ask you.
I don't. I think that is activist, leftist, intolerant, hateful, anti-religious-bigoted, gay people.
I do not think that is what YOU think of gay people. However, Debbyski's refer...
San Francisco will host the Folsom Street Fair, perhaps the most hedonistic event held in public in America. The fair is the San Francisco homosexual community’s annual celebration of promiscuity, sadomasochism and debauchery. The ad for this year’s fair mocks Da Vinci’s The Last Supper, with a half-naked beefcake Christ and disciples bedecked in all manner of leather and chains. The bread and wine of The Last Supper are replaced with sex toys.Is that what you think of gay people?
I don't. I think that is activist, leftist, intolerant, hateful, anti-religious-bigoted, gay people.
I do not think that is what YOU think of gay people. However, Debbyski's refer...
I have to admit, this does sound awfully offensive...
Lets pick this apart a bit:
ice cold : Unless meaning her body temperature, this would be an insult.
lesbo : Hmmm, well this sits between 3 clear insults, the terminology is an offensive slang. So what is probable conclusion we infer, deb believes calling someone a lesbian is an insult.
nazi : An insult.
bitch : Unless she really is a female dog (don't think so), this would be an insult.
Lets pick this apart a bit:
ice cold : Unless meaning her body temperature, this would be an insult.
lesbo : Hmmm, well this sits between 3 clear insults, the terminology is an offensive slang. So what is probable conclusion we infer, deb believes calling someone a lesbian is an insult.
nazi : An insult.
bitch : Unless she really is a female dog (don't think so), this would be an insult.
BD, exactly right. We posted on top of each other. Read my previous comment. I think it shows clearly where the insults are.
BD, exactly right. We posted on top of each other. Read my previous comment. I think it shows clearly where the insults are.I was suprised a moment ago, I followed the clip posted by deb expecting to see some horrendously biggoted comment. Instead I find a statement condemning bigotry. Not quite sure why she choose to post that clip.
Did you get your question answered Zazel? I know I did. 
This is what is so good about clipmark. Everything that is said by everyone is saved to file. So when the trolls try to baffle people with their bullshit. They can be seen by their own words for the fools they really are. And its amazing how they try to spin their way out.
Zasel, apparently, that is what cptenaud thinks of gays as well. The distinctions are clear for the objective person.
cptenaud said: - The ignorant ones can only spew hate , and they show how uneducated they are. That is why I like them to speak. Because they show their ignorant ways through their hate speech. The majority of people in this country have common sense and can see their ugliness.cptenaud - I followed your link back to this old clip and read some of the comments. You were asked about where you had received basic training and your response was Camp Pendleton. I know that Marine recruits receive basic training at either MCRD San Di...
And if you have followed some of my clips. You have seen how I flush out the cowards. I just let them speak and they make fools of themselves.
And as usual the ignorant can not read. If you look at my statement as of 9-27-07 on this clip. You will see I never said Basic training. I clearly stated training for Nam.
Camp Pendleton and Camp Lejeune were the two training stations for Nam.
But what would a sailor know about that?
So who is still wrong here Chicken Hawk?
Camp Pendleton and Camp Lejeune were the two training stations for Nam.
But what would a sailor know about that?
So who is still wrong here Chicken Hawk?
PKs initial question was "Where did you go to boot camp, and what year/month? Who was your DI?" that's a real easy question to answer.
You said "I was trained at camp Pendelton"
PKs reply was "USMC basic training facilities are at two locations and Pendleton is not one of them"
Your reply was "Camp Pendleton and Camp Lejeune were the two training stations for Nam" you still never attempted to answer where you took basic making this statement false.
Off hand I'd have to say you're the "Chicken Hawk" not a former Marine. And your stupid comment about what would a sailor know about that is just as nuts since you should know the Marines are an extension of the Navy.
You said "I was trained at camp Pendelton"
PKs reply was "USMC basic training facilities are at two locations and Pendleton is not one of them"
Your reply was "Camp Pendleton and Camp Lejeune were the two training stations for Nam" you still never attempted to answer where you took basic making this statement false.
Off hand I'd have to say you're the "Chicken Hawk" not a former Marine. And your stupid comment about what would a sailor know about that is just as nuts since you should know the Marines are an extension of the Navy.
And we also found that PK only served 20 days off shore of Vietnam. And why did he dodge all the possibilities to verify?
For you to be sticking up for someone like that. Shows the coward you are.
And you are too stupid to see that I supplied my name and the company I served in Vietnam. Pk wont do that because he is a true coward.
For you to be sticking up for someone like that. Shows the coward you are.
And you are too stupid to see that I supplied my name and the company I served in Vietnam. Pk wont do that because he is a true coward.
You supplied nothing that anyone couldn't have looked up on the net. I checked the links you supplied, no proof whatsoever.
I don't stick up for PK due to his lenght of service simply for his service, and now I suspect he was in harm's way longer than you. I went through the comments and I have no doubts about his service, your answers were totally out of the norm. You simply do not fit the mold of a Marine, except maybe in your mind.
Simply challenging someone to a duel doesn't make you a marksman, calling PK an imposter does not make your statements true or validates your claims of being a vet. More than ever I'm convinced you were never in the Marines.
I'm too stupid? Well...
I don't stick up for PK due to his lenght of service simply for his service, and now I suspect he was in harm's way longer than you. I went through the comments and I have no doubts about his service, your answers were totally out of the norm. You simply do not fit the mold of a Marine, except maybe in your mind.
Simply challenging someone to a duel doesn't make you a marksman, calling PK an imposter does not make your statements true or validates your claims of being a vet. More than ever I'm convinced you were never in the Marines.
I'm too stupid? Well...
I am finding it hard to believe that this discussion has been going on since at least September. It is very apparent that it is going nowhere, and serving no purpose but to cast insults and aspersions back and forth ad infinitum. May I suggest that we all just end it here? Can't we just assume everyone has served his/her country in the way they state and not try to prove anyone more or less patriotic or courageous. In the course of things, no one is ever going to prove anything, and it really serves no purpose to keep this hostility boiling. If no one, with whatever evidence they felt was convincing, was able to settle whether George W. Bush completed his service as he claims he has, how...
I agree. As Righthand would say. Trying to talk sense to a troll is quite useless.
cptenaud:
PK has no respect for the troops. Because he pretendszasel:
to be a Vietnam Veteran. I have called him out on that , and he has not responded. There is nothing worse then
a coward who never fought in any war. Pretending he
did, and making false statements. He also is pretending
to know four languages. One of which is Arabic.
I guess if your a liar. You might as well go big.
Can't we just assume everyone has served his/her country in the waycptenaud:
they state and not try to prove anyone more or less patriotic or
courageous.
I agree. As Righthand would say. Trying to talk sense to a troll is quite useless.F*cking hilarious.
Your definition of a troll is I guess anyone who questions you about your alleged military history which you brought up yourself. Then there's always Chicken Hawk you like that one to. How about trying Imposter that one seems to fit.
I am not a soldier. I have NO idea what all the guns and stuff are you're all talking about, but your discussions reminded me of a song. An oldie, but listen if you a minute. The message is clear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmL3m2zcoOI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmL3m2zcoOI
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