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12-12-2007 1:19 AM
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arifsali says:
Welcome but so far I feel I have lost my community by entering into a room with no lights. What in the world is going on and what in the world is ClipCast. What happened to my Clipmarks Community?

Okay I will keep on playing more to make some sense.
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12-12-2007 1:20 AM
coconutshell
Same here, arifsali...still trying to get used to it...but i like the dark theme though..
12-12-2007 1:22 AM
arifsali
Well I don't mind the dark themes either but I sense I'm lost here already. I wasn't expecting such a drastic change.
12-12-2007 1:25 AM
coconutshell
I know!
12-12-2007 1:26 AM
egoldstein
We're still having a few issues with the site working properly...this upload was truly huge, so we're just working through some issues regarding urls not working right in all cases.

If you click the link to "Classic View" on the right side of the title bar of any ClipCast page you will be brought to your familiar place. Also, if you click the Logo in the header you will brought to our home page that will explain things.

This update is definitely not getting rid of the traditional clipmarks community site ("Classic View"). It's just buiding on top of it for people who also want to share their clips on other sites, such as Facebook.
12-12-2007 1:27 AM
arifsali
I know I'm not carrying my clips anywhere, so I will get used to of these new buttons and drop downs on the Classic View.
12-12-2007 1:27 AM
SteveJohnSteele
the 'classic view' is probably what your looking for

Classic view has been tidied up, streamlined
- and looks real cool

Some requests ...
Ability to drag the center divider
Proper scroll bar down the right edge

I really like this simple 2 column version
12-12-2007 1:30 AM
arifsali
I feel like a senior citizen in front of Facebook/MySpace crowd. I say we need to rebel here. LoL just kidding.
12-12-2007 1:35 AM
egoldstein
Like SteveJohnSteele pointed out, we tried to streamline the design of the Classic View to make it easier to use also MUCH FASTER. In addition to that, we are trying to offer people the ability to spread their clips beyond the borders of the clipmarks site. Certainly not "instead" of on clipmarks...but "in addition" to on clipmarks for those who would like to do so.

I wrote a brief post about it here. Hope that puts some perspective on it. I do apologize for glitches you're experiencing now. We shoudl have everything working smoothly soon.
12-12-2007 1:38 AM
arifsali
Okay getting back to the topic. I think Clips are initially worthless unless you build a community around your Clips (not speaking of private clips here). For me, the Clipmarks community interaction is what motivates me to build my Clip list. If I wanted to Clip something for my own blog and/or Facebook or any other place outside of the Clipmarks, then I think I don't really find a reason to clip anything, because I could pretty much blog and/or facebook using their own tools. So in this context, the whole notion of ClipCast is lost on me. It seems (and again I'm speaking for myself only) I have been given a new Grazr panel by Clipmarks which I certainly didn't need.

Eric, you're proba...
12-12-2007 1:39 AM
willhelm
I'm catching on. It is blowing me away!
I can't figure out how to imbed a Clipcast to Wordpress. Will there be more info on this in 'help'?
12-12-2007 1:45 AM
egoldstein
arifsali i certainly can understand and appreciate your perspective. I totally agree with you about building a community around your clips. My feeling is that many people have their "community" elsewhere on the web...and i want to offer those people the ability to share clips with their community without having to force their community to come here. For those of us who have become a part of the community here, nothing at all should change going forward.

willhelm, glad you're feeling good about it so far! If you have a self-hosted wordpress blog, you should be fine. If it's a wordpress.com blog, unfortunately, they will only add clipmarks to their approved list once users demand...
12-12-2007 1:45 AM
willhelm
It seems the clipcast feature ( at least my initial impression) is one that opens up the content to more people. You can share specific information in new ways and develope themed clipcasts etc. ...I'm guessing.
12-12-2007 1:45 AM
SteveJohnSteele
With so many other sites offering drag and drop layouts (Yahoo, Google) - could something like that be implemented

As I see it, there are 6 areas ...
1. top menu
2. menu above clip list
3. clip list
4. buttons below clip list
5. comments
6. new comment box

if each of these was a drag-able+resize-able box
then everyone could have the layout they want
12-12-2007 1:53 AM
arifsali
You're right, that activity window is probably compromised over extra space. But I see that it is there in the drop down list of MyClippers but it requires a click. I wonder if the MyClippersMix is out there somewhere? That was one hec of a good link.
12-12-2007 1:54 AM
BartendingBear
It is all a bit overwhelming at first. Typical of all things on the 'net, the more cutting edge it is the more resources it generally takes. In the interest of fiscal responsibility I'm on a throttled cable connection running an older box, so my experience is a bit slow when it comes to watching a ClipCast. I can't help but wonder that the pixel size of a ClipCast will be something of an issue on many pages. The whole of it really demands a fairly large screen. Using OS X my monitor is 1280 X 1024 and my browser window is nearly all of that to be usable here.

Classic view does seem to run quite a bit smoother than before. Thanks for that.

One thing I miss already is the absence of the Clip...
12-12-2007 1:55 AM
arifsali
Found MyClippersMix, all set.
12-12-2007 1:56 AM
egoldstein
The reason we moved the right side modules into the header drop-down menus is they were really slowing down the site and putting an enormous load on our servers. Unfortunately, we had to do something with them...we hope that maintaining their access via the header proves a fair compromise.

By the way, all links throughout the site should now be working correctly...sorry for the extra confusion we caused everyone by having some errors after we uploaded.
12-12-2007 1:57 AM
BartendingBear
I can't seem to find any video clips. What's zup with that?
12-12-2007 2:01 AM
egoldstein
Use the sorting menu on the right side of the footer of any clip list to see videos.
12-12-2007 2:07 AM
BartendingBear
DOH!
12-12-2007 2:12 AM
egoldstein
alanocu, right now we're honestly not sure. For the time being we're going to leave it because we feel it's imperative to inform people about the changes and what we're offering.

One thing i do want to point out is that those of us who heavily rely on our My Clippers list to follow new clips can now add a My Clippers ClipCast to any site (iGoogle, netvibes, MySpace, etc.), making it much easier to keep up to speed with the latest clips by your Clippers even when you're not on the clipmarks site. And you can pop and comment directly from the clipcast...so hopefully you'll see this as extending the experience wherever you go.
12-12-2007 2:19 AM
willhelm
I tried to add My Clippers Clip Cast to iGoogle and I got ALL clippers Clipcast ( sure it was my goof, but I don't see where I messed up). It looks great, though.

12-12-2007 2:22 AM
egoldstein
willhelm, use the little arrow button at the top-right above the clipcast to edit settings and select the feed you want. Hope that helps.
12-12-2007 2:25 AM
arifsali
Okay folks, it seems I keep finding myself clicking on the Help link and I'm not liking it. I will come back tomorrow with a fresh start.
12-12-2007 2:35 AM
willhelm
I was on the Clips by My clippers page. when I hit the igoogle ( add this clip cast) button I keep getting all clippers on my iGoogle page. Oh well, I'll take a few more shots.
12-12-2007 2:39 AM
egoldstein
sorry willhelm, my fault for not being clearer. Right now, iGoogle and Netvibes are automatically defaulting to All Clippers - Latest Pops when you first add the ClipCast widget to either site. However, you can easily change that to any feed you want (including My Clippers) by clicking the edit settings menu above the widget on those sites. Once you change it, it will remember every time you go back. Clear?
12-12-2007 2:41 AM
willhelm
oooHHH! OK.
12-12-2007 3:12 AM
abailart
Now I've had my coffee and realised i wasn't dreaming, i like it and thank you very much! Clipcasts are wonderful. Look forward to the emergence of a new clipmarks culture.
12-12-2007 3:24 AM
JohnWaterman
I really used to like being able to glance at my clippers activity and recent activity on my clips. These now have to clicked for, and can't be scrolled through. Or is that just me being dumb.

Clipmarks is my only online community and I feel a little of it has been taken from me.

Mind you I have just woken to find this and wasn't prepared at all for it. I thought I was having a bad dream.

A couple of cups of coffee and some cigarettes, and I'll try to check it out more thoroughly.

My Clippers are really important to me and I feel a little more distant from them now.

How can I tell what My Clippers have been doing across the Atlantic while I've been asleep? For God's sake I might miss an AcesLucky clip - nooooo!!
12-12-2007 3:34 AM
egoldstein
Hey John...you can click the little My Clippers button in the header to see a ClipCast of your My Clippers feed or you can click the little drop-down arrow next to the icon and see the My Clippers feed in the classic view.

Also, if you want to follow your My Clippers feed while you're on another site, you can do so by adding a ClipCast there (ex: iGoogle, Netvibes, etc.). Hope this helps.

12-12-2007 3:35 AM
coconutshell
Okay, I'm finally getting the hang of it. Whew. Though I also kind of miss being able to read the comments along with the clip.
12-12-2007 3:35 AM
coconutshell
I think the ClipFathers spoiled me so I've gotten too used to minimal clicking
12-12-2007 3:44 AM
BobbyRutan
In the clipcast of My Clippers, it would be nice to see who made the clip (in that area below the screen, Clips in the ClipCast). Some clippers I never want to miss because they have very insightful things to say, even though the title of the clip doesn't peek my curiosity.

I find myself using two open tabs in FireFox now. I do realize that with the Forbes purchase Clipmarks will evolve to something much bigger. Alas.
12-12-2007 3:55 AM
mona
i think i'll have to have some tea before i can get my head 'roud the new interface. for now i'm back on 'classic view'. Looks promising, though...just one question: why did you have to switch to java for the shiny new clipcast feature?
Also, don't you think seeing comments underneath the clip (at a glance) is more important thank listing further clips in the respective clipcast?
12-12-2007 4:04 AM
BobbyRutan
Also in ClipCast view, when you want to add a comment, you can't refer back to the other comments, (i.e. reflect on what you're saying based on a reexamination of their comment).

I would tend to agree with Mona.
12-12-2007 4:10 AM
egoldstein
coconutshell and alanocu, with a clipcast you actually don't have to click at all to see, pop and comment on clips...check out the keyboard shortcuts button in the top right of any clipcast.

bobbyrutan, i think you're right. i'll talk to the team about adding that tomorrow.

mona, i'll have to think about that one.

i guess the key point for me in all of this is that we definitely did not build to the clipcast as a replacement for the classic view. That is absolutely not our intention. We developed it so that people could easily share their clips with friends on other web sites or follow clips by their friends or favorite clippers wherever they are on the web. I guess ...
12-12-2007 4:13 AM
Fast T friend
If i wasn't so busy trying to wrap my mind around these novelties, it would have been fascinating to see this live demo of response to change yeah, i guess i am facing my own rusty edges when it comes to adjusting...
I miss the immediate view of activity on My Clippers most and... let's admit it, the immediate feedback on my own clipmarks existence
Haven't yet had the time to experience the new mode. Right now it does seem to be a little less of the community experience.
12-12-2007 4:28 AM
SteveJohnSteele
just discovered some stuff lucking below the surface

get to embed code then edit the size of the object ... width="960" height="1000" ... reveals hidden bits

pity it didnt work as I hoped
12-12-2007 4:33 AM
Fast T friend
Also, in the ClipCast mode, when I open the MyClippers ClipCast, there is a list of the titles but no clippers name (I don't know if that was mentioned already). That is somewhat difficult to allow quick navigation between the clips in the cast.
12-12-2007 6:35 AM
ljsdesign
@egoldstien
I feel bad, I know your getting a lot of pro /cons this morning, but in clipcast view the last sentances are blocked by the frame. Just wanted to let you know. There are always some bugs to work out
12-12-2007 7:02 AM
syncopath
arifsali - i share your sincere feelings this morning ....
and, i am agreat fan 4 respect to senior clippers ....

maybe many advantages are hidden in this new interface, but right now, it feels much like:
'an isolated clipper situated in a deep camera obscura' ....
12-12-2007 7:05 AM
wildcat
ok,

I think I am finding my way in this new version,not easy boys, not easy.. seriously though on the clipcast page the main issue for me is that I do not know who popped what, and who clipped what.. thats a major one, (and comments at a glance is missing).
only the main clip is named, the list is devoid of identity, it does make it more universal, but i lose the personal touch.

Eric, you think this can be remedied? other than that, i guess its evolution. I like it, but it will take a moment to adjust.
anyways, good work, thanks
and yes Arif, I share the feeling
12-12-2007 7:21 AM
Mohir
I miss the immediate view of activity on My Clippers most and... let's
admit it, the immediate feedback on my own clipmarks existence
Haven't yet had the time to experience the new mode. Right now it does seem to be a little less of the community experience.
Same here,
feeling like loosing the personsl touch,
and with it I am afraid we'll lose the sense of community
12-12-2007 7:22 AM
michellezm
To quote the email I sent to EricG:

"At first I was afraid, I was petrified ....." - actually I gasped and then hyperventilated when I entered Clipmarks - all was not well on my favourite site! Panic entered my soul and I got that cold and clammy feeling - the feeling that us computer idiots get when faced with something new, potentially hazardous to our mental well-being and utterly unknown.

But I was brave and tried this, that and the other thing, and am happy to report, things are looking up".

It looks good, even if I don't fully understand it all. THANK GOD (AND CLIPMARKS) FOR THE CLASSIC VIEW.



12-12-2007 7:33 AM
mona
michelle - you have a way with words

perhaps we really do just need to let the "newness" grow on us!

@ eric: minor glitch i've noticed: my location has changed to "unknown" and i can't seem to change it back.
12-12-2007 7:40 AM
Deepti
"At first I was afraid, I was petrified ....." - actually I gasped and
then hyperventilated when I entered Clipmarks - all was not well on my
favourite site! Panic entered my soul and I got that cold and clammy
feeling - the feeling that us computer idiots get when faced with
something new, potentially hazardous to our mental well-being and
utterly unknown
same with me Michele....but i must say....I'm lovin it so far....I'm still playing around tryin to learn more
12-12-2007 7:45 AM
michellezm
I've just recovered from another minor panic attack. I couldn't find alanocu's clips. I chewed on my heart for a few minutes and swallowed it when I found them.
12-12-2007 8:13 AM
JohnWaterman
In clipcast mode i can't see any video unless I go to the site from which the clip came.

Help anyone? Is the glitch with me or clipmarks?
12-12-2007 8:19 AM
vickybaranwal
I can't see others comments with the clips and
the small window showing recent pops,clips is missing.
I m still using classic.

.
12-12-2007 8:46 AM
jatfla
I'm too old, I'm a traditionalist, I hate change....:~)

What a shock!! Couldn't we have the Classic view as the old view? Gosh, a great thing gone *different*.

And I don't like Facebook, MySpace, etc....Does the entire internet have to revolve around such places? Oh man............. do I feel cranky. Now I have to go fiddle with the new tech stuff instead of reading Clips. :~(
12-12-2007 8:54 AM
jatfla
How do you view newest comments to the Clips?
12-12-2007 8:55 AM
Antara
I have to laugh, all this passion and emotion shows we are all true "clipaddicts" eh, haha!!

I felt just like most of you : WTF!!!!! when I first logged on today--but now I like it.

Clipmarks Rocks
12-12-2007 9:05 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
Gawd, it took me ten minutes to even get here! I couldn't find the light switch! Thank GOD I finally found the classic view! Whew! I'm not liking this at all. I'm with jatfla et al. It's like, where did everybody go?? It seems so quiet. Eerie. I miss (need) the activity box. Hellooo? '*echo...echo...echo* Is anybody here?

BUT as long as we at least can keep the classic view, then that'll have to do.

I also have to say, that I am ever so patient and with this being Christmas and all, I was sort of hoping (expecting) for a few more little smiley happy (or disappointed) faced emoticons, to be honest. At LEAST a smoochie smiley. Hmm... maybe next upgrade then.

12-12-2007 9:15 AM
JohnWaterman
Whatever happened to "if it ain't broke don't fix it."
12-12-2007 9:21 AM
egoldstein
Just jumping in to make a few points...and definitely reading them all...

1. I can't state clearly enough that we did not create clipcast to "replace" classic view. We created it to offer something more to people who wanted to integrate clipmarks into their experience elsewhere. For those who don't want to do that, classic view is the place to be.

2. The reason we removed the live updating modules on the right side of classic view is because they were really slowing the site down and causing a huge, perpetual load on our servers. I certainly understand the value they provided...it was tough to remove those.

3. In some respects, I hope that those of you who know clipmarks and know m...
12-12-2007 9:25 AM
skwirlinator
How do you sort for new comments?
I haven't tried clipping anything yet.
Part of this being a community is being able to cruise the comments.
I like the look but even in the classic view the comments sort is missing.
The post comments preview is missing too?
The character countdown is nice.
To you and many others the pop is most important but to me I could care less. The comments is what I live for.
What happented to the activity report email?
Will you be starting the video blog back up
CLIPIVERSITY?
I feel like the comments have been buried so clipmarks is more politically correct for the corporate view. Is corporate image a driving factor in the loss of comment sorting?
In this clip, I u...
12-12-2007 9:29 AM
Fast T friend
egoldstein, allow me to command you personally on the close attention you pay and on jumping in here with us cranky lot it does give me the feeling that i harbored my addiction at the right location at least I definitely trust that we shall overcome these moments of getting acquainted with the new version. And perhaps with some adjustments on all sides will keep the best of Clipmarks live and kicking. So cheers all!

12-12-2007 9:34 AM
mona
egoldstein, allow me to command you personally on the close attention you pay and on jumping in here with us cranky lot
Fast T Friend, thanks for stating what i (and undoubtedly many others) are thinking.

The more i use it the more i'm actually beginning to appreciate the changes. Clipmarks ROCKS!
12-12-2007 9:35 AM
egoldstein
Thanks Fast!!

Skwirl, I totally agree with you about the importance of comments. Quite honestly, that is not something we changed. Access to all comment-sorting options in classic view should not be affected at all. There is still a "comments" tab at the top of the clip list. There should also be a "preview" button next to the "post comment" button. Regarding the mouse wheel not working, i'm not sure why that's happening, but it definitely should be working the same way it always has.
12-12-2007 9:39 AM
debbyski
Eric,
I can't seem to hear anything on youtube anymore since these changes. It's not my speakers because I can hear music on my player and WMP and the web in general. It happened after the changes to CM. Any ideas? Has this happened to anyone else?
12-12-2007 9:40 AM
skwirlinator
OK
I found the comments in classic view

The scroll rolls the whole page in clipcast

There is no preview in comments editor in clipcast that I can see
It is still there in classic.

So the version when I joined - (Before popping & Cliplimits)
Is that known as ancient? LOL

Overall - I like the changes - just gotta get used to another change
12-12-2007 9:40 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
We want our Clipmommies!! *LOL*

Naaah, we all know you have worked very hard at this, so I, for one, am just gonna mellow out a bit and have a beer (a Tuborg Classic.)

I'm off to pop a few clips! (If I can find them.)
12-12-2007 9:58 AM
dl211
I've come to the conclusion your new look sucks....
I constantly have to goto Classic view, should be able to keep it on the one you wish to view.
It's to hard to follow anything any longer, comments seem to be lost in cyberspace.

If you're keeping count...put me one the side of bring back the old version, this sucks.
12-12-2007 10:00 AM
debbyski
Never mind Eric! My bad! I troubleshot it. It seems there is a volume control on youtube also. Mine was all the way down. How did that happen? Anyway, no worries, sorry for blaming you guys
12-12-2007 10:06 AM
egoldstein
Not looking to change the subject, but for those who are interested, i was interviewed about clipmarks by Forbes. If you want to see the interview, here's a link.
12-12-2007 10:12 AM
ljsdesign
Hey Eric,
added a clipcast to my blog. Very good, easy,looks good.
12-12-2007 10:16 AM
egoldstein
ljsdesign, awesome...good feedback is oh so good!!

debbyski, no worries

dl211, if you click the drop-down arrow next to any header button you can choose whether you want to see the clipcast or classic view version of the particular feed.

12-12-2007 10:16 AM
ljsdesign
great interview Eric
12-12-2007 10:18 AM
debbyski
Ljsdesign,
I've got to start reading your blog! Is it on your profile?
12-12-2007 10:23 AM
mona
great vid, eric - wow, there are 1/2 million of us?
12-12-2007 10:24 AM
dorine
Nice interview, eric. I'm still adjusting to the changes,
12-12-2007 10:25 AM
ljsdesign
Yeah it's there. But here a link http://lisa-liliblog.blogspot.com/. Check out the info- ad for autism at the top of the page, That's my little diva
12-12-2007 10:36 AM
dorine

After checking the changes out:

In ClipCast:

1. mouse wheel doesn't scroll inside clip.
2. mouse wheel doesn't scroll inside "Share this clip" (to add to collections)..Hard to control! Takes too long with arrows and still overshoot checkbox. That's annoying.
3. Is the dashboard gone?
4. Wouldn't load videos at all.
5. Will we still get Activity Report and Clippers' Digest Reports in our email?
6. Getting "Firefox prevented site from opening popup window". Why? Also, annoying.
7. Under My Clippers, only see 4 on list. Loses community spirit.
8. Miss clippers' avatars in popped boxes.
9. Don't like how the cursor moves while typing comment.

Like many other clippers, I miss th...
12-12-2007 11:09 AM
arifsali
I have already shared my first impression. Here is my second impression: I think Clipmarks is dead.

I have gone through more than one updates at Clipmarks but this one is a step backwards in design and usability. I can see the wisdom in mobile clips but I fail to understand changing the whole structure of the site over the mobility of clips? It would have made some sense if the new mobility feature was added on top of the original site structure but why would I have to bookmark a classic view to get to Clipmarks now? (forget that now I'm part of a classic user).

In terms of design, the front page looks like MySpace. The Classic View looks like I'm back in 2005.

I feel terribly sad c...
12-12-2007 11:18 AM
egoldstein
Well, that makes me terribly sad too, though i believe with great conviction that you are just wrong. I may be on an island here, but i think the reaction of most people here is based on emotion and reacting to an unexpected change.

I don't see how having to bookmark a link to the classic view (or clicking one link in the header, or clicking the link directly to the classic view in the clip button) is a problem. To state it as one is just overly dramatic in my opinion.

And to say that the classic view looks 2005 is just hard to accept. It is, in basic terms, a faster version of the classic view you have loved for so long - minus the right side column. If you think it looks 2005 now, i have to assume you have always felt that way.
12-12-2007 11:20 AM
Fast T friend
To add to dorine 's sum up, on clasic view:

1. When I open my clips I can see activity from recent hours, however when I check the 'My Clipmarks' little box from the header - its old news.

2. I mentioned it before (and so have others) but it seems so importnat for the community spirit that I will again: clippers names/avatars on the list of clips in the ClipCast view - Essential.

3. what happened to the speller in the comment box? akljwklje w - see, no one tells me this makes no sense

and arifsali, i soooo understand you, but lets hope we do make the transition and perhaps pull our weight with the founding fathers.
12-12-2007 11:46 AM
dorine
Don't worry, eric, we'll adjust. We miss the camaraderie here. It made it fun. Tho, the more I use it, the more I like it.

It would be nice if we didn't have to keep clicking "Classic View" when we want to load a page from the toolbar.

12-12-2007 11:48 AM
willhelm
I have already shared my first impression. Here is my second impression: I think Clipmarks is dead.
No way. This is a transformation and I see it as powerful. This is more than just changing the look and feel of Clipmarks. This is giving clips to new and powerful visual aspect. I find the changes stunningly impressive. This required some fantastic vision. KUDOWS, CM team !
12-12-2007 12:20 PM
Socratoad
For the most part I shall reserve judgment on this rather startling development, other than to say, "Change , no matter how spectacular or sincere wrought is not necessarily progress".
12-12-2007 12:25 PM
Socratoad
Whoops .... "sincerely".
12-12-2007 12:40 PM
michellezm
Clipmarks is not dead, just different. Thank you for all you've done Eric and Co. Even though I don't understand it yet, I know that whatever changes you've made have been done to the betterment of Clipmarks and its community.
12-12-2007 12:49 PM
invictus
Willhelm, I completely agree.

Well, I understand most of other fellow clippers' concerns about the abrupt change on look & feel of the site. But no worries my friends, what we have all loved so far IS still here, with a simple click on "Classic View" button. Plus, with a higher performance.

What we have with ClipCast here is, for me, a very important "added-value" and believe me, it will prove itself efficient on the entire web very soon.

Every revolution requires some time to get used to. I'm pretty sure we'll all love this new rich facilities and smooth performance of Clipmarks.

I also want to add: Kudos for the artistical side of the ClipCast too. I loved the dropshadowed titles, grea...
12-12-2007 1:02 PM
Djiezes
It was a pleasant surprise to see the site has been totally revamped.

The Classic View will stay my default setting. But as Eric says, the ClipCast part of it is not meant to replace the Classic part of Clipmarks.

I don't expect to use the ClipCast-feature; as I don't blog or so. But it could prove useful for others. And as a important surplus: I think this will help spreading the word about clipmarks.

And I do think the Classic View has been changed for the better. Especially taking into account that the 'my clips' and 'my clippers' boxes overloaded the server. Who needs a third frame anyway.
I actually love the fact that you can access those 'boxes' in the top-bar of any classic-view p...
12-12-2007 1:03 PM
BartendingBear
I am saddened by arfisali's comment because we have to allow the clipdaddies time and space to grow the child they love so much. The truth is that while the classic view has changed some, it really isn't that much. At this time I have no need for any of the new features, little interest in exporing them beyond that which I already have, and though I can't predict the future any more than anyone else, doubt that I am likely to ever need them. Some will take to them like the proverbial duck to water, I'm sure.

If there is one new feature I am less than thrilled with, at least as I understand it, it is that a ClipCast of someone else's origination can be added to another location without contr...
12-12-2007 1:06 PM
BobbyRutan
My random reflections.

After watching Eric's interview, it seems ClipMarks was designed to be a tool, to share information with people you already knew, via email or referring them with a URL to your clips. But in the process a community evolved. A lot of us who do not fit the demographic of the college FaceBook crowd, or the MySpace crowd, stumbled upon this and found people who actually cared to reflect on topics of the day (whether you agreed or disagreed, passionate or dispassionate). I don't have a group of friends that I want to bombard with news articles, I already know their views and they know mine.

Seeing the interview, ClipMarks predominantly is a tool, thus the website opens to...
12-12-2007 1:07 PM
gingembre
Am I correct in assuming that ClipCasts are fancier replacements for ClipRolls? My ClipRoll is still functioning on my blog, so are ClipRolls still going to be supported via Classic View?

I'm still reeling from the shock I received when I opened Clipmarks this morning and am trying to adjust.
12-12-2007 1:12 PM
arifsali
Okay, okay, I already said I'm not going anywhere, I just can't. And I have been over dramatic sometime (ask wilhelm). I'm happy to get my Firefox/Flock extension fixed, now I can directly go to Classic View.

More later.
12-12-2007 1:25 PM
michellezm
Good show arifsali, otherwise we'd be forced to hunt you down and drag you back!

12-12-2007 1:27 PM
BartendingBear
Well said, Bobby. Not unusual in that regard, of course.

Regarding numbers, and not to rain on the clipdaddie's parade, I think you're right about the influx of the "Yo, dude!" crowd. Certainly there will be some very seriously intentioned and well accepted users added as well, but I think we will see some of the same emotion ignited as when AOL users first gained access to the Internet through their AOL subscriptions. (Anybody remember how Usenet went wild when that happened?) It was a mess.

I also wonder how many of the 500,000 registered users are actually active here. I'm certain that Forbes looked at that data in making their investment. No matter how much they believe in the potentia...
12-12-2007 1:35 PM
JohnWaterman
I'm beginning to get used to it now. But I'm still very much a classic view man myself.

With you lot here who needs myspace etc.?
12-12-2007 1:35 PM
jatfla
Oh dear....I agree with Bobby! :~( Something's really wrong with my Clipmarks! :~)

I feel lost in cyberspace. I think E knew we loved it so much here that we'd adjust.
12-12-2007 1:40 PM
Kore7
Everything I could have said about the new update has been expressed very thoroughly already (especially by Invictus and Djiezes).

I'll just add that nothing's been taken away from those of us that consider CM our home (like me). Clipcasts are a new extension of CM designed to spread the Clipmarks ethos to an ever broader audience. This is a Good Thing. Instead of seeing the Facebook crowd as interlopers, look at this as a way for us to influence them (on their home turf, no less) with the high standards we've already built here.

Also, I can't believe no one has pointed out the astoundingly appropriate name of the interviewer: Poppy Harlow! See, the real-world influence has already begun!
12-12-2007 1:41 PM
arifsali
and some newbies seem to come along regularly, but not in great numbers.
I still remember the days when Mozilla added Clipmarks as their recommended extension and the newbies were pouring here like a rain. That was before any FB/MS mania.
12-12-2007 1:43 PM
egoldstein
jatfla, i know you'll adjust. Just click the "Classic view" link from any page you happen to drift to and you'll be in a very comfortable place. After a few trips to the site, i assure you, you'll forget it even changed.

As far as some of the suggestions/comments above...

1. I don't think we'll attract the "yo dude" crowd. Not sure if you have all noticed yet, but for new users, when you save a clip, it defaults to "My Network". This will enable the clip to be public on any site except it won't be added to the public areas of clipmarks.com (ex: newest clips, latest pops). We did this to preserve the essence of what the community here has established. We have also built in the abi...
12-12-2007 1:54 PM
BartendingBear
Perhaps I hold my feeling of site "ownership" more closely than my participation really allows, but one thing is missing in this update that I really was hoping for. Yes, we now can delete spammy comments from our self-originated clips, and it seems that there is an intermediary step of clipdaddy review of such, which is great, but there still is no convenient way to report spamming users originating spammy clips.

As an example, user moussant has at this moment 11 spammy clips about stopping foreclosure since the 9th. No other topic or subject manner.

I understand and take seriously the comments made about server load issues in supporting certain features whic...
12-12-2007 1:56 PM
dorine
Hey, gang, you can play around with the colors when you click on "Customize this page.

eric, your explanations here are helping me understand this better. Great work! Kudos to all 5 of you guys!
12-12-2007 2:16 PM
egoldstein
yep dorine, you can totally customize the design of your clipcast page however you like.

BartendingBear, we agree about the spam issues you raise and will be introducing a new feature with this in mind very soon.

a couple of updates...

1. If you visit any clipcast page, you will now see that profile images are displayed next to the clip titles in the list. Thank you for that great suggestion...it definitely makes the clipcast pages better.

2. The "location unknown" issue has been fixed
12-12-2007 2:49 PM
iskandar
Well, i think i managed to find my way around ,using all your warm directives , thnx yet can't find the way to like it yet. The absence of the feature ( that on the right ), which gives the immediate update WITHOUT pressing any button this gave indeed a close touch ...
12-12-2007 3:41 PM
arifsali
Eric you need to sleep dude, I think you have even lost weight (looking at your interview). Hey, we're all Clippers here, not Murderers.
12-12-2007 3:44 PM
egoldstein
LOL...on this particular point i totally agree Not yet, but soon.
12-12-2007 4:21 PM
neochonetes
I haven't used Clipmarks very long, less than a year. I joined because I wanted to use Clipmarks as an online storehouse for quotes and pictures that I could cite later.

Each day, I look out for new intereactive applications, ideas and software on the web, so I can more effectively work. Everyday I find at least 10 new applications that I am learning to use, so I am INTO NEW! Usually new applications are very predictable, and I use them, ONLY, as needed.

I will admit that when I first joined Clipmarks, my feelings about were similar to Eric's. I anticipated that Clipmarks would be an application, not a social networking community, BUT sometimes even I can be surprised.

My feeling i...
12-12-2007 4:28 PM
neochonetes
BTW, the text editor has issues. In text editor mode, the character counter is different than when it saves. I lost the last sentence of my first comment. Just a heads up!

Eric, Clipmarks has added value that you can't find on sites
like Digg or Truemors, and I hope you will investigate this more.
12-12-2007 4:33 PM
egoldstein
I agree with everything you said neochonetes. I honestly do not think the introduction of the clipcast will in any way affect the incredible dynamic that has been established here on clipmarks.com. I just think it will expand the reach of the meme to those who want to experience it with their friends elsewhere.

As long as information is moving efficiently between those who find it and those who should see it, I am happy. I hope that between the community we have on clipmarks and the extended reach of the clipcast, the flow of information on the web will be even more efficient.
12-12-2007 4:51 PM
Fast T friend
Someone mentioned here that they can remove spam comments from their clips (can't remember who and its a looooong thread to try and find it). Can you enlighten me on how to do that?
And further, if a Clipcast is embedded elsewhere, would it be affected if and when actions are performed on the clip at CM (like removing a comment)?
12-12-2007 4:54 PM
egoldstein
If it's your clip, you should see a little blue comment icon on the right side of the title bar of the particular comment (opposite the username of the person who commented). You can remove the comment by clicking that button. Doing so will affect the clip anywhere it is posted, including in a ClipCast on another site.
12-12-2007 4:57 PM
bignosemousie
Neochonetes, your comment reminded me of a comment I made on another clip. I'm reposting it here.

Sohil says: I think skwirl has more clips than anyone.
Skwirl replies: The cool thing is they are yours too!
Isn't that a hallmark of Clipmarks? Not only the usefulness of systemically ordering knowledge but in the openness with
which we share it all. The free exchange of information in stark
contrast to the pervasiveness of greed. If knowledge is power, isn't
Clipmarks the friendliest generator around?

I hope this
community continues to build a person's knowledge base and increase a
person's power. Let's not succumb to berati...
12-12-2007 5:09 PM
boozich
why muck around when this was operating well...now there are changes and info is gone and...this is supposed to just be clipping, but i see something a little more silly or sinister going on here.
It already does not work with my FF(i have sent the bosses messages but no reply) so i rely on IE...and...bad experience so far.
12-12-2007 5:18 PM
Fast T friend
bignosemousie, that is one hell of a comment! in the best sense love it!
12-12-2007 5:24 PM
egoldstein
boozich, i don't see any email about clipmarks not working in firefox. did you send it to support@clipmarks.com? Can you send it again now to that address.
12-12-2007 5:28 PM
dorine
@boozich, I had to go thru Tools>Add-ons...then under Clipmarks..click on Find Updates. Then it restarted FF. Works fine. Also, try Ctrl+F5.
12-12-2007 5:36 PM
JohnWaterman
Can any of you clever folks explain an easy(ish) way to create clipcasts of various subjects from my clipmarks. (preferably using my tags)
12-12-2007 5:48 PM
BitDrifter
I'm doing good with the classic view, but when I am just skimming clips I actually like the other view. But beyond that, I think this was a good "addition" to clipmarks.

But one trend scares me, the reduction in relevance of tags. All of my clips are well tagged (I don't like collections/clipcasts), and last update I lost the ability to search by tag only, now with this update I have lost the ability to add tags to clips I add to my "clipcast" and then later edit those tags. It is becoming harder and harder for me to find old clips.

Please, bring back both features. Further is there a reason for this?
12-12-2007 5:49 PM
boozich
Dorine,
thanks for that but all the update says is version 3 and i don't want to update to what i see as a microsofted-beta type version where this thread becomes 500 long on giving feedback for problems.
Sigh.............
I was pretty happy till today but this UNECESSARY but COMMUNITY and INFO site has just become UNECESSARY...i can just as easy get all the info from http://popurls.com/
12-12-2007 6:02 PM
Fast T friend
Thx Erik, got it. real easy
12-12-2007 6:20 PM
egoldstein
JohnWaterman, you can create new Clipcasts by clicking the "new clipcast" link on the right side of your clipcast page. You can then add any of your clips to any of your clipcasts by clicking the "edit" option at the bottom of each clip and selecting "Edit Clip" Right now, this is a bit time consuming. I hope to have a better clip management interface sometime soon.

[{BitDrifter}}, i will definitely talk to Derek about this, but we started running into so many problems for searches based on tags added by one user on another user's clips, that we felt we had to (for now at least) remove that functionality. I'm sorry we didn't explain this, as it is definitely a material change you sh...
12-12-2007 6:32 PM
JohnWaterman
Thanks,

I've managed to find a way using the Share button. I'll try the edit button and see which I prefer.
12-12-2007 6:58 PM
egoldstein
You're right, the share button is actually a much better way to do it. Thanks for teaching me
12-12-2007 7:44 PM
neochonetes
For those having trouble in Firefox, I have a bit of trouble at first...just because I have the Firefox popup blocker enabled. I added Clipmarks popups to the approved list. No problems now. I have version 2.0.0.11. Go to Tools: Options: Content: Block popups and there is an exception box. My blocked popup message comes up automatically.
Hope that might help!
12-12-2007 7:47 PM
neochonetes
Like the new format, although one major community box is GONE.

The real time clippers box...you know the one on the right that changes each time one of my clippers updates by clipping, popping or commenting.

THAT TOOL was one of the most important reasons I use Clipmarks. No the drop down box doesn't cut it. It won't stay open.

Now if it was a pop up box that might help.
12-12-2007 7:56 PM
neochonetes
While instituting the Clipcast, Clipmarks may have saved your server from overload, but it has slowed my computer to a standstill.

I have one of the most robust broadband connection available and plenty of RAM, BUT it took over 20 minutes to move through these comments while I was in the new version of Clipcast. I say over 20 minutes, because I had been moving down the list for several minutes before I started timing it. I wasn't reading them, or it would have taken much less time.

Now that I am in the Classic view, my computer is not struggling quite so much because it doesn't have to hold an entire clipcast in RAM. That issue must be addressed!
12-12-2007 10:42 PM
Rustee
I've been trying to add my default clipcast to Myspace. It added the window there ok, but it's not my clipcast. It automatically loads ericskiff's? Yes, I can go through the options there and view mine, but it doesn't remember after leaving. Refreshing myspace, it reloads with ericskiff's again. Sup with that?
12-12-2007 11:05 PM
egoldstein
The last few comments definitely deserve answers. In all honesty, i'm not the right person to answer them, but skiff, who is the right person, is finally (and deservedly) fast asleep. As soon as he's up I'll talk to him about these issues and either he or i will post a response. Sorry to not have any better info, but wanted you to know that we're here and will address it.
12-12-2007 11:28 PM
ericskiff
Heh - Luckily I'm not asleep quite yet

Rustee I'm looking into your issue - a corrupt embed code could cause that problem, but I'm not sure how that'd happen. It'd be really helpful if I could know two things - where you got the embed code, and the URL of your myspace page.

Neochonetes and others, I'm also looking into the clipcast speed issue - this clip in particular has an extremely large number of comments, which could definitely cause some memory issues on computers where RAM is tight. I'll see what I can do to streamline display on a clip with a large number of comments.

Thank you everyone for your feedback! It's very much appreciated, we're doing everything we can to address these issues as they come up.
12-12-2007 11:58 PM
ericskiff
Well, over the past few months, Eric W and I have joked about the "zen of no response" where sometimes not answering right away is the best answer. Once again, it seems to be true!

The embed box on the right hand side of your clipper page ( http://rustee.clipmarks.com ) was not providing the correct code. We've fixed that now.

Rustee - if you could copy and paste that code again, it should point to your clips. Sorry for the confusion!
12-13-2007 4:54 AM
Fast T friend
THAT TOOL was one of the most important reasons I use Clipmarks. No the drop down box doesn't cut it. It won't stay open.
yes, Yes and YES again!

with due respect to server overload, that WAS one of the most essential features of clipmarks.

I'm starting a petition here: BRING the BOX back IN (or BBI for short) serious guys, do consider this most important character of the community life of CM.
12-13-2007 6:42 AM
JohnWaterman
I'm finding it all a bit better now.

I stay in classic view most of the time and have 2 tabs: one with all clippers (pops, comments etc) and one for my clippers (pop/clip mix, comments). It's not too bad clicking between the 2.

I still have one problem with clipcast mode: at least 2 of my clips send Flash into complete meltdown. Hopefully that can be fixed, and in the meantime I have used the edit function (in classic view) to remove them from all clipcasts.

Not perfect, but no more complaining from me - for now.
12-13-2007 6:58 AM
wildcat
ok, so i've played with it for a while and the logic of it is obvious now, however two main points still missing, in my clipcast there needs be tracking of pops in the list and not only on the main view window, the purpose is to get in a glimpse the state of the clip via the number of pops, same goes for comments on the clip, at a glance.
but still the main missing point is to know in real time who (of my clippers) is online and does what (pops, clips, comments) that is the basis of the community feeling to which others have referred.
finally let me praise again the beauty and aesthetics of the new format and as Kore7 has mentioned yes I do think it will bring the quality of this social network to the web.
12-13-2007 8:57 AM
dorine
These are all good comments and suggestions. I have a few observation:

In Classic View:

1..When in Share mode, would like to be able to see tags the clipper used, or be able to move window/box around so I can see tags from clip.

2. After saving a clip, need that clip to come back, instead the big, blue ClipCast window appears.

I, too, miss the real-time information. Made it more fun to follow what my clippers are doing and the activity on my clips.

If the real-time windows were overloading the servers, maybe we could give up something....like the Dashboard. I love the dashboard, but I'd get used to not having it. What do you guys think?
12-13-2007 10:54 AM
gingembre
I wish the "Classic View" could have remained the same and the new ClipCast feature have been added as an alternative version for those who wish to use it instead of or in addition to the unchanged version of Clipmarks. Everything was working so well and serving our needs (including feeding our addictions via the real-time clipper box on the right) so wonderfully prior to this upload. The upheaval and loss of key features is most distressing.

These words from Joni Mitchell's classic Big Yellow Taxi come to mind:
Don’t it always seem to go
That you don't know what you’ve got
‘Til it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

Please don't turn Clipmarks into an i...
12-13-2007 11:14 AM
BartendingBear
While I too miss the active status box I can clearly understand why it had to go. It is not only the server load it creates now, but in the coming months.

We have all seemingly accepted that the popularity of the site is going to continue to grow due to the functionality ClipCast provides to bloggers. Once they see it on one blog... BAM! it'll be on their's, too. Adoption in the blogging community should be like a snowball going downhill. Six month from now we should be looking back at this time with fond memories of the old days.

What will happen as well, though, is that the newbies will be seduced just as we have been by the functionality of the classic interface and be drawn into the fr...
12-13-2007 11:51 AM
dorine
What happened to the calendar? That was a big help to find clips!
12-13-2007 12:28 PM
Fast T friend
Another point which still doesn't work well for me (on FireFox) is that the little drop-down box showing the activity on My clips is not updated in real time. Neither for that matter is the Activity frame on classic view when I am in my page.
There are pops on the left side of the screen from recent hours, and on the Activity frame the latest update is from many hours ago. Is it me?...
12-13-2007 12:39 PM
Mohir
Starting to get used to the new feel and look
yet some issues:
I am still getting Erick's clips while trying to put a clipcast in myspace,
Eric you are great, yet would like to see my clips there
didn't seem to see an answer about what happened to the emails about our and our clippers activities,
when looking at my page in the new look, it shows i clipped 391 clips and added one, what is the meaning of that?
last but not least would like to join FastTFriend in her petition, a few more servers now the Frobes bought CM should be easy
12-13-2007 12:40 PM
djkraz
Well put BartendingBear, thx! We all miss the old right side modules but after testing and finding out that the entire classic view experience was drastically faster and cleaner without them (not to mention the server load they caused), we had no choice but to remove them for now. We will continue to explore other options in the coming weeks and hopefully we will find a happy medium somewhere along the way.

Dorine, I don't believe we removed any calendars however it may have been moved. Which one are you missing?
12-13-2007 12:52 PM
wurdzgurl
I'm really glad that the classic view was kept because Im not used to the clipcast view
12-13-2007 1:33 PM
dorine
Derek, I can only get to the calendar thru CM button dropdown menu, classic view and All Clippers on Popular page. Can't find it on my page.

Also, the cursor doesn't keep up with my typing. It's real slow. Is this happening to anyone else?
12-13-2007 1:41 PM
BartendingBear
Cursor and keyboard response both are much better in the text editor box than in the add a comment box, at least for me. My CPU load meter shows surprisingly high levels of activity for simple text entry in the comment box, and far lower levels in the editor box, now that I look, bearing out my observation.
12-13-2007 1:42 PM
dorine
Can you stand another problem?

In Classic: On our homepages, our own and other clippers', collections are under ClipCast's button, but when pick a collection, it comes up in ClipCast mode----want it in Classic View.
12-13-2007 1:45 PM
dorine
BB, thanks for heads up on text editor working better than comment box.
Also, my CPU usage is at 100% when using Clipmarks today. I've had to restart computer 3 times this morning.
12-13-2007 1:54 PM
BartendingBear
I just restarted Firefox to see if that helped, and sadly it didn't.
12-13-2007 1:59 PM
BartendingBear
When I open the Share window to email a clip it opens to the proper size, but then the email window opens to the old dimension rather than larger to accomodate the new interface. Am I alone in this?
12-13-2007 2:10 PM
arifsali
I would like people to retire this clip for further comments, common, give it a break, 160 plus comments Create a new one called Questions for Clipdaddys

Also, I would like to get my Folder icon back in my personal Classic page. I see a tab icon instead of folder icon now. I can get to my folders some how but I believe it takes many clicks.
12-13-2007 2:12 PM
arifsali
Oh and did I tell you I don't like to get to Eric-the ClipCast-Skiff page when I click on my name above? I'd rather it takes me to my Classic page (or some how I can customize my ClipCast page to come up as Classic??)
12-13-2007 2:13 PM
egoldstein
Don't go retiring this too quickly...i'll be replying to a number of the questions/issues raised above in a few minutes.
12-13-2007 2:16 PM
dorine
Could you start another clip, eric, this one takes forever to load? I made this comment thread scroll by itself.....don't know what I did, but can't make it do it again.
12-13-2007 2:18 PM
mona
Okay, i've started a new thread over here. (For the next 150 comments or so. someone else can volunteer to 'host' the next round)
12-13-2007 2:54 PM
egoldstein
ok, i am gathering as many answers and ideas as i can in response to questions above. when i have it together, i'll post it on the new clip by mona
12-14-2007 7:41 PM
righthand
@Mona
Also, don't you think seeing comments underneath the clip (at a glance) is more important thank listing further clips in the respective clipcast?
This was the primary reason why I switched back to classic, too. Also the spellchecker didn't work.
12-14-2007 7:57 PM
ratilfar
Where is the "sort by comments" button on the Clipcast, can't seem to find it.
12-15-2007 10:08 AM
skwirlinator
Ratilfar

I had the same problem and this is what I did

On your clipcast notice where your avatar box is. well there are pulldown menues that allow you to sort by and filter.

Play with those for the results you are looking for.
12-15-2007 10:15 AM
skwirlinator
Ok, I have been playing with the customisation on my clipcast and I'm liking it more. This might work out ok in the end. Not the first time I got mixed up by an update.
12-15-2007 10:33 AM
egoldstein
The star of skwirlinator looks awesome on your page!
12-16-2007 2:06 PM
Djiezes
I've been playing around with that too.
It's pretty sweet, but the "keep image fixed" setting doesn't seem to work. It does work when clicking on 'save changes'. But upon reloading the page, it forgets this.
1-5-2008 10:55 AM
bookchick49
My turn.... Hi Guys! I'm a little late but still wanted to add my 2 cents for whatever it's worth. Loving the NEW and appreciate the old. Sorry to hear you left me out of the Forbes deal. LOL Hope you all had time to relax and unwind after this marvelous update!

Happy New Year and Happy Clipping! hugz and schtuff...

Kath
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