I'll need confirmation of this report to believe it, but it is very disconcerting. Wah. Iran can have operatives and terorrists hiding in Iraq, but nobody else can? It's called payback time. Let's see Iran cross the border to try and take them out, if they have the stones, which I doubt. Sucks to be them. Hahaha nice one Napster. Yeah i'd like to see that two. Sounds like what we did in the Afghan civil war of the 1980's when we supported another mujahedeen against Russia. Wah. Iran can have operatives and terorrists hiding in Iraq, but nobody else can? It's called payback time.I had this strange idea that "war on terrorism" meant war on ALL terror, not "war on terrorism except for terrorism committed against countries we don't like". Silly me. Same thing happened with radicalizing Islam so they would fight our enemies the Soviets in Afghanistan. Look how well that worked out. Your right on the mark jklugman. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" A globally recognized saying that really does ring true. And that's exactly what's going on here. I checked and radical Islam had its roots firmly growing before the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. One radical (understatement) in particular came from a wealthy family in Saudi Arabia. Unfortunately that cockroach is still being hidden by our so called allies in the "War on Terror". The_Real_Napster-- By referring to the mujahideen who fought the Soviet invasion, you just demonstrated the folly of that proverb "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". The fact is, Al-Qaeda is an outgrowth of some of the mujahideen whom we supported in fighting the Soviets. That is only partially true. Bin Laden was heavily involved in the Muslim Brotherhood long before the invasion of Afghanstan. It is true that he eventually surfaced there to aid the mujahideen and help rid them of the Soviets. Here's a fairly good Wikipedia reference on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden Bin Laden was brain washed and radicalized long before Afghanistan, but it did give him a cause to readily identify with. As far as the enemy of my enmey saying goes, it's also called 'war by proxy'. This means you use another country or state to do your dirty work. Once the dirty work is done they are still your enemy. Long story short: Radical Islam is linked to ... I am confused by how this contradicts what I just wrote. Regardless of what Osama bin Laden was doing, or what he believed before the Soviet invasion, it certainly was not a good idea to help him or his ilk during the Soviet invasion. Its also true the old adage "Beware of Dog", because rabid dogs tend to bite the hands that feed them. You think that these guys are simply going to go away if Iran is thrown into chaos? The problem with fighting proxy wars is that the proxies may decide at some point disobey orders (as the almost always do). Then what? @jklugman Sorry I didn't make that clear, let me try again. The U.S. was aiding the mujahideen (and making good headway) long before Bin laden showed up. Bin Laden needed a cause for his new found 'doctrine' and showed up in Afghanistan. In pops wealthy Bin Laden among the tired, poor and down trodden mujahideen, who have been fighting the russians for quite some time. What did you think was going to happen? He was the poison apple. (Personally, I think that Bin Laden would have surfaced in Afghanistan regardless if the U.S. was there or not.) Off goes Bin Laden now with followers who like his ideals and his wealth. The rest is horrible history still being written, I'm afraid. ... REAL_Napster, I think you are arguing against a very narrow version of the blowback argument (to be fair, I wasn't very specific). But this narrow version you are attributing to me holds that Osama bin Laden is the mainspring of Islamic militancy & mujahideen thuggery, but I don't think that's necessarily the case. I think it is generally accepted by experts that US, Pakistani, and Saudi dabbling in Afghanistan helped create & train a movement of Islamist fighters. You are probably right in that the US did not give much, if any, direct support to bin Laden or his group during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan [[url=http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/15/bergen.answers/index.html]1[/... |
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