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4-27-2007 3:03 PM
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laceym says:
A state college is going to set them back about $20,000 per year; a private college is going to be double that, easily. Yet here come these poorly prepared kids who are going to be paying all that money for instruction in basic algebra, remedial English, and with heads full of unscientific garbage that we need to spend a year draining. It's such a waste of time and effort on our part and theirs, and these students are going to struggle and suffer and in many cases fail.
Every time a school levy fails, every time some anti-education bozo gets elected to the school board, I want to grab the parents responsible and explain to them that that decision is going to personally cost them tens of thousands of dollars when they send their son or daughter off to a college to teach them the stuff they should have learned in 10th grade
- PZ
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4-28-2007 12:35 PM
hudgal1
As an ex-high school math teacher, I couldn't agree more. The day that the schools stopped separating the students by ability was a crucial day in our public school system. Not every student has the desire or the ability to make it through college. By throwing them all into the same classroom, the school system is not doing any of them justice. The slower students become frustrated when they can't grasp the concepts as quickly as the others. The quicker ones grow bored when the class slows down to reexplain over and over, when these students could be moving on to the next lesson. The result is that very few of the students coming out of our public school system are ready for college.
"No child left behind" is leaving record numbers behind.
4-28-2007 12:48 PM
willhelm
teaching creationism discourages students from applying the scientific
method, which emphasizes conducting experiments with reproducible
results and drawing logical conclusions from observable, measurable
evidence.
This statement is mad out of ignorance because it shows a complete lack of understanding in the ID Feild. Evolution stands alone as failed materialist philosophy. The science involved in the ID approach is much more broad, testable, mathematically valid, and logically sound than the Theory of Evolution which loses validity with each passing day. If Evolution was serious science it would be advancing day after day and year after year. But it has not advanced intelli...
4-28-2007 1:02 PM
hudgal1
I don't really see any conflict between the two theories. I believe in God, and the more I learn about science and the universe in general, the more I believe. Many of the great scientists also believe(d) in God.The odds of random amino acids all floating around in some huge primordial 'soup mix' bumping into each other in exactly the right sequences required to form DNA are just ridiculously infinitesimal.Believe that He created the universe. I just don't think one of God's days is the same as an earth day. I mean, He created all the stars and all the planets. Why would He choose some second rate planet in a thirdrate solar system to base His day on? Very egocentric idea. I also believe he ...
4-28-2007 2:20 PM
willhelm
From article:

teaching creationism discourages students from applying the scientific
method, which emphasizes conducting experiments with reproducible
results and drawing logical conclusions from observable, measurable
evidence.
Hudgal says:
I think both theories are valid and both should be taught.
It is interesting this article supposes that teaching ID discourages the scientific method. When, in fact, ID uses the scientific method and evolution does not. If the writer of the article actually had faith in the scientific method why not make a comparitve analysis of the science and tests of both theories. The reason is because THAT would be education. They would rather be indoctrinational.
4-30-2007 12:23 PM
laceym
Here's your ID(iot) science.

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