Excellent clip arifsali. Thanks. Should help to show that Islam is an intellectual way of life , and not a brutal way of life like the media tries to paint.

This is real good from a religion that is Feidistic in it's approach. This shows a real lack of knowledge about Islam Arifsali. I thought you knew better. Islam is a presuppositionalist/feidist faith. Even Mohammed, when questioned about his authority, says who am I but a meesenger. There is no classical evidence, apologetic, or doctrinal proof. The only logically substantive idea in Islam is Monotheism.

The word in question is "fideist", willhelm. It is a term used to describe Christians who give faith primacy above reason in defining their reasons for belief.

Presuppositionalism is another term used to describe Christian apologists who first assume the Bible is true and move on from there.

Even if true, what would your non sequitur have to do with these ancient Islamic philosophy texts?

Neither of those terms is inherent in Christians or Christianity. They are approaches taken by some Christians account for the knowabiliy ( if you will ) of truth. True some Christians ascribed to these views, but it is a vast, vast minority. In the case of Islam these concepts are foundational.

Willhelm, what on earth does your point have do with the text in question? Assuming you even understand the point you are trying to make.

Tpq62, What does your comment have to do with the text in question?

willhelm, are you just dismissing Ibn Sina, Ibn Rushd, Al-Farabi, Ibn Khaldun, and -- last but not least -- the master Al-Ghazali? What about the Mu'tazilites? I can see dismissing one or two of these pivotal figures, but are you saying you consider them all minor side-currents in Islamic intellectual history?

enbar, it's not so much the philosophers themselves as it is the insinuation that Islam is a bastion of intellectual questioning. Perhaps early on. My comment was about the implications inherent in the clip and a follow-up to Ali-Muslim whom I misnamed Arifsali.

Well, seriously though, if you think Islam is inherently fideist and presuppositionalist, though I am a little skeptical that those terms make much applied outside a Christian context (and in the case of presuppositionalism, I'd say outside of a Christian context post-Karl Barth), then what produced those thinkers, who are foundational to the Islamic intellectual tradition? You're saying they just don't count? They're not "early", unless by early you mean the High Middle Ages.

Enbar, I am speaking objectively about the role of Intellect in Islamic Society. You have a once great culture decimated by its own dogmatic ideology.

wilhelm, you are so ignorant, its not even funny.

"I am speaking objectively about the role of intellect in Islamic Society".

The funny thing is, you're not even aware of the flaws in your own statement. I still feel good to have you on in my ignore list

Ahh....I love Clipmarks.

I still feel good to have you on in my ignore list

Arifsali, you deny yourself one of clipmarks' guilty pleasures.