 travislaborde says: Yay, I got to be the first to comment! I believe very strongly AGAINST the pop limit. Does it add value to any of you? Have you ever clicked on a clip and then said to yourself "this clip is too long - it's ruining my Clipmarks experience?" On the other hand, I wonder if you've ever missed a nice clip because it couldn't be popped because it was too long. I've had emails where people said they wished they could have popped one of my clips. Why can't they? It makes no sense to me. I hate the pop limit of 2000 words because I can't tell while clipping if I have reached the limit!! Then when I get done, I have an unpoppable clip and I have to start over, because - as we all know - pops are a cool little positive stroke. And as stated above, have you ever opened a clip and regretted it because of the length? If you do, just close it! The Gentleman from the Great State of Florida Abstains. No reductions! Everything should be poppable! I too think it would be great if it was totally up to clippers to decide how much they want to clip and to be able to clip sentences within a paragraph too. I think I'd like both more (total clipsize) that won't threaten context considerations or and less (smaller clippable pieces) If a clip is too big for some? Then skip it and move on to other clips. All clips should be poppable too, even the big (perhaps even bigger?) ones. OR: How about making more tabs then? "Latest Big Pops" and "Latest Little Pops", sorted by size. (2000?) Then all clip readers get to choose exactly what they want, big or small, by clicking their tab of choice. Everybody wins! I hate the pop limit of 2000 words because I can't tell while clipping if I have reached the limit!! Then when I get done, I have an unpoppable clip and I have to start over...This I totally agree on. 100%! That time wasted could have been spent reading clips instead. Could there be made a character counter while still clipping, before the clips are saved? That would be cool  Yeah, so either there should be no limit or there should be a character counter on the clip selector. That sounded confusing... In short what I mean is: No total clip size limits. No clippable piece size limits. More tabs sorted by size. A character counter so you can choose which tab you'll be sorted under. There! Short and sweet. TThat's what I meant to say  That time wasted could have been spent reading clips instead. Could there be made a character counter while still clipping, before the clips are saved? That would be coolI don't quite understand what you mean as there is character counter while clipping While still clipping? There is? Where?? I always get a script error thing when clicking the save button, is it that? Then somethings going wrong here... Line 429 "An object was expected" Could it be that?? Boo hoo! I want a character counter too!! The pop limit should be higher. At least 2500. If they did, we would have to put our clips into parts. That is not fun and wastes time. Hey guys, if you use Firefox then you can see the counter and the notification suggesting you have gone beyond your character limit. If you use IE then you don't see any counter or warnings. Last I heard, CM was going to update their IE toolbar, but Firefox works out well. Thanks for the votes! Just so everyone knows - when you are clipping something, look down to the bottom of your browser window - in the status bar area... It shows how far you are from (or over) the pop limit for the clip. And Eric - it looks like you have a respectable anti-limit user base here... Will you even consider removing the pop limit altogether? travis, unlimited clip is no fun and defeats the purpose of bite-size information. I mean, why do you think RSS is getting popular? People don't have time to go through whole websites so the tiny portions in organizing and absorbing knowledge is a way to go in the future. My memory is that the pop limit was introduced as a carrot to encourage brevity when clipping in order to maintain the primacy of the source site - clipmarks was a route to other sites not the source itself. The competitive envionment that is the information economy means that we need to be as mindful of the presentation of the message as the message itself - clip sparingly but tellingly - whether it's 2000 or 2 million chars is neither here nor there - 2000's a good challenge, keep it. Why was there need for another thread on this topic when there is already a well popped thread on it by Eric? That's an easy one - because I clipped it right from his blog before visiting the site to see it here already Just to clarify, the character counter is currently only in the firefox extension and is located in the bottom status bar. I am working on updating the internet explorer version now to include character counting. We should have this out real soon. Hey thisnamecantbetaken, as someone already noted you have to have foxfire in order for the counter to be seen, or as I have the Flock browser ...... my favourite People still use IE? Why? For some odd reasons, and it may be just me, when I use IE to clip anything (after I click on paper clip icon) the orange box comes up in an instant (we're talking less than a second) ..... but when I use Firefox, it takes few seconds before I have possession of orange box for clipping. Is anyone having trouble saving comments? "Why was there need for another thread on this topic when there is already a well popped thread on it by Eric?" Travis's excellent use of the call to action in his clip title - whilst we're on the subject of pop limits how about a limit of 50 pops per clip - comments are unlimited of course. That would save us from the How to speed up.... forever circulating - a better search (if you don't use Sohilio) would probably be req'd though. 1. If you're still using Internet Explorer, you should be shot. 2. If you're using Firefox (like you should be), the Clipmarks plugin will tell you how many characters you have clipped in the status bar AND will display a warning on the screen if you go over the pop limit. 3. Apparently pictures don't count towards the limit, and I don't like reading... so clip thousands of images. 3. Limits are ridiculous. It's just another way the man is trying to hold us down. VIVA LA CLIPMARKS!!!! 4. Sorry for yelling. 5. Did you notice the two 3's? I didn't think so. LOL - Eric is "the man." And he's holding us down! UNITE MY BROTHERS!!! FOR FREEDOM!!! Just in case anyone takes me wrong.... I *LOVE* Clipmarks and I think Eric has been GREAT. I just disagree (strongly) on this one point. I've never noticed a character counter before. I always pasted my clips into a seperate counter off a seperate website. So thanks to everyone who pointed that out. 2000 characters is plenty enough to convey the main idea of something. It can cover a couple of paragraphs easily enough. By creating a smaller limit (1500, maybe? 1k is a little stingy) people are more likely to see what exactly is all that interesting. If they want to know more, they can easily go to the website. I know I've passed over many clips because I really don't feel like reading the extra few paragraphs. (yes, I do know that that's just me, and there are plenty more interested readers here) And I have other things to... I really don't like that longer clips won't show up on Front page Clips. Is this still the case? It seems to be the case when using the custom tab. Yes, I would also like to add this disclaimer: - The views and opinions of the previous comment are those of the author alone. Clipmarks in no way endorses the crazy rantings of the so-called "dresta2" Any resemblance to actual persons (i.e. "the man") or events (i.e. "pop-limit") is purely coincidental and unintended. Thank you for your understanding in this matter. Management Okay, I forgot that you can choose all clips on the New Clips tab. When will we get that option using the Custom tab? Thanks for the consideration, CM team. Just want to point out to those of you who are more recent Clippers and have concerns about "things getting out of hand" absent clip size limits, that prior to the inception of current limits, clips were mostly within, or very close to, the current limit. I think that this would be the case were the limitations abandoned. People still use IE? Why? Well, first off, I still have no counter down by the bottom of the IE window, nothing at all. Nada. Zilch. Secondly, if anybody deems it necessary to "shoot me" because of I still use IE, then let me explain before they do a "Cheney" on me. I still use IE because I HAVE to have some absolutely necessary things, like "Bumper" from http://www.stereopsis.com/bumper/ and "CloseIex" (se it here; http://www.simtel.net/product.php?id=57372) If anyone knows if those two can run on Firefox or Flock, then I'll be happy to try them out. If not, then I'll rather take the bad with the good of IE, even having no counter then, because I simply can't/won't/will ... My opinion: Once there was no limit and we, the people, thought that it would be good to prevent the "full source clipped" clipmarks from popping up all the time... And I still think that this was the right decision! I also think that it is a very very good and gentle way to keep people visiting the source sites. I would say that this is some kind of Netiquette of CM. No time right now, Ms Taken, but you can do what bumper does better and more using All-In-One mouse Gestures with Firefox, and using Firefox the other item is entirely unneeded. Thanks! My PC's prime for a spring cleaning format anyway, so I'll give Firefox a try, before I do that...just in case I don't like it anyway. Old habits and so on... but I'll try. Thanks for the help. Chalk up another one against the pop limit. If i get bored with the clip, i just stop reading. If it's interesting, I ALWAYS follow the link to read more. "thisnamecantbetaken": TADA! Firefox also has a plugin that allows you to use the IE renderer on any page with the touch of a button. In other words, you can view a page in Firefox as if it was loaded in IE. (Seems like they've thought of everything doesn't it???). I use it all the time for those pesky pages that were designed specifically for IE. No more excuses, conform or be destroyed! (p.s. sorry if I offended anyone, especially "the man") I'm a believer! I have conformed! Oh mighty prophet of Firefox, I shalt install thy browser immediately!!!... (or soon anyway) Unfortunately, you're an outcast already, you should not have claimed you weren't using Firefox.  IE7 is not bad, if you never used Firefox during pre IE7 days, then it wouldn't matter much now. Except, you're being tortured by advertisers on daily basis, where as we at Firefox don't even know what it means by banners or advertisement, courtesy ABP @arifsali I know...I never should ahve admitted to browsing with the beast. I have been shunned  Regarding IE 7 I just read somewhere that it's reeked with bugs and old security risks they should have fixed but haven't. IE 7 is not on my wishlist.. Can I come back into the cult now? hmm....my IE7 works fine, I almost switched back except I don't like to watch advertising banners and IE7 sells their add-ons and Firefox does not ...... so technically, I'm not paying to not watch advertisement, not sure how it works out but it does. Sounds good to me! I'd rather try Firefox than IE 7 anyway. Firefox has proven itself or so I've heard, whereas IE 7 still is somewhat beta'ish I think. Don't forget to try Flock ----- cuz its da bestis. I dunno Socratoad... It looked a little leftish to me. I mean "Community browser."? Got all the community I need (and more) right here! No Limit Please!! Everything should be popable. If a clip is long and it is getting popped by the community then what makes it a long clip. Nobody makes anyone scroll an entire document. The cons there are some that over clip on sites that challenge rights and they didn't check for permissions which could get clipmarks in trouble for letting gross violators access the tool. Seems like the people complaining about having to read too much, sure read through a wad of comments on a regular basis. So reading isn't the problem. There is the lucrative market for cell phone ready sites. perhaps making everything tiny here makes the site more sellable. 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