God Almighty the Most Gracious and the Most Great, does not need to do anything. He is free to rule His Kingdom how He likes. No one tells Him what to do, but He tells others what to do. Glory be to Him. He is sublime and in control over all things. There is none like Him. He is One and Unique.

What about salvation? You are right, we dont enter Paradise through our good deeds alone. Its is only through the Mercy of our Dear Lord that we attain salvation. Through His Mercy. We dont need the salvation of anyone else or anything else. Just His, and that is enough.

Why do we join with Him others when He , most Glorious, is not in need of others. But worship Him alone and be happy and thankful...

God Almighty the Most Gracious and the Most Great, does not need to do anything. He is free to rule His Kingdom how He likes. No one tells Him what to do, but He tells others what to do. Glory be to Him. He is sublime and in control over all things. There is none like Him. He is One and Unique.

What about salvation? You are right, we dont enter Paradise through our good deeds alone. Its is only through the Mercy of our Dear Lord that we attain salvation. Through His Mercy. We dont need the salvation of anyone else or anything else. Just His, and that is enough.

Why do we join with Him others when He , most Glorious, is not in need of others. But worship Him alone and be happy and thankful to Him. Its so much happier to have one boss than to have to satisfy more than one. Life becomes easier and happier this way.

Best regards,
ali

You say your God can do anything. Jehovah--The Eternal One can't. God my Heavnly Father can not and will not go agians his word - the bible. He has choose this way so we can knonw him and have a personal relationship with Him.
Our salvation come to us thur this relationship not in our good work. We are saved my Grace, the on earned favor of Jehovah.
"He is sublime and in control over all things." ... why dose he allow bad things to happen?
I too depend on He mery but because Jehovah is bound by his word I know what to do ... accept the work of cross.

John 3:16 (Amplified Bible)

16For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten ([a]uniq...

You say your God can do anything. Jehovah--The Eternal One can't. God my Heavnly Father can not and will not go agians his word - the bible. He has choose this way so we can knonw him and have a personal relationship with Him.
Our salvation come to us thur this relationship not in our good work. We are saved my Grace, the on earned favor of Jehovah.
"He is sublime and in control over all things." ... why dose he allow bad things to happen?
I too depend on He mery but because Jehovah is bound by his word I know what to do ... accept the work of cross.

John 3:16 (Amplified Bible)

16For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten ([a]unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.

In the love of God.
Robert Frenette
Windsor ON Canada

I can not allow Ali to monopolize my post so I guess it is time for me to chime in with a few comments of my own. In the Beginning of all things God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth became void and covered in darkness and the spirit of the Lord hovered over the deep. And the Lord spoke Let there be light and there was light. Thus the re-creation of our current planet earth had begun. In the account of scripture we see very clearly the presence of the God head manifest in three persons. Father (God) Spoken Word (Jesus word became flesh) and the Spirit of the Lord ( Holy Spirit). The evidence of the Godhead being present even before man became flesh and bone shows that God has ...

I can not allow Ali to monopolize my post so I guess it is time for me to chime in with a few comments of my own. In the Beginning of all things God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth became void and covered in darkness and the spirit of the Lord hovered over the deep. And the Lord spoke Let there be light and there was light. Thus the re-creation of our current planet earth had begun. In the account of scripture we see very clearly the presence of the God head manifest in three persons. Father (God) Spoken Word (Jesus word became flesh) and the Spirit of the Lord ( Holy Spirit). The evidence of the Godhead being present even before man became flesh and bone shows that God has always been manifested in three persons.

When man was first created he HAD FELLOWSHIP with God and walked with Him in the cool of the evening. This indicates a one on one personal intimate relationship with God the Father.

But then... Evil had entered the garden in the form of a serpent and caused a rift between God and man for when Adam disobeyed God he was cast from the garden into the fallen world and fellowship with God was forever broken.

Thousands of years later the promised Messiah would come in the form of an infant, born of a virgin, to restore that broken fellowship with God. For Jesus came to reconcile the world back to God. After Jesus' birth, death, and resurrection He promised a comfortor would come, in the form of the Holy Spirit, who would teach man how to fellowship with God.

Unredeemed man can not fellowship with God personally because sin separates us from God permanently unless we repent and accept the way made for us through Jesus Christ God's advocate for mankind. Apart from Jesus we are still lost and separated from God. This is why the Gospel is good news.

Ali - Jesus was God robed in flesh. As Eaglewings said He was to pay te price for our sins - but He was much more than that.

He was our example. Our teacher. Our King. Lots of things. He taught us to pray. Obviously He prayed as He would have us to pray.

I do not believe in the "trinity" that Eaglewings and others have come up with. But it is clear that our God has manifested Himself in many ways - more than one, more than three. But the man Christ Jesus is "the express image of his person."

I suggest anyone that has trouble believing that the Bible spells out that Jesus is the One True God simply read the book of Isaiah and the book of Colossians.

In Isaiah God says about 30 bil...

Ali - Jesus was God robed in flesh. As Eaglewings said He was to pay te price for our sins - but He was much more than that.

He was our example. Our teacher. Our King. Lots of things. He taught us to pray. Obviously He prayed as He would have us to pray.

I do not believe in the "trinity" that Eaglewings and others have come up with. But it is clear that our God has manifested Himself in many ways - more than one, more than three. But the man Christ Jesus is "the express image of his person."

I suggest anyone that has trouble believing that the Bible spells out that Jesus is the One True God simply read the book of Isaiah and the book of Colossians.

In Isaiah God says about 30 billion times that He is the only God. There is no other. He is alone. He created everything that there is. Yadda yadda yadda.

In Colossians it is clear that Jesus Christ created all things. That He is the physical manifistation of the One True God.

Get that clear - JESUS created all things. Not His dad. Not His "co-equal partner." HE CREATED ALL THINGS.

Thanks for your comment travislaborde. For me i discovered something whilst thinking more deeply about this subject, thanks to those who contributed on this clip.

I discovered that if Jesus was God and the spirit at the same time ie all three are the same being, then Jesus would not talk to himself and say 'Oh Father'. If he was also the 'Father' why would he address himself. It doesnt make sense if they were all the same being. So this is proof to me that they are not the same being , and that Jesus is one being and the Creator (or Father) is another.

This is all assuming i am right in saying that in the Bible Jesus does say things like 'Oh Father' etc ie he does talk to his Father.

I...

Thanks for your comment travislaborde. For me i discovered something whilst thinking more deeply about this subject, thanks to those who contributed on this clip.

I discovered that if Jesus was God and the spirit at the same time ie all three are the same being, then Jesus would not talk to himself and say 'Oh Father'. If he was also the 'Father' why would he address himself. It doesnt make sense if they were all the same being. So this is proof to me that they are not the same being , and that Jesus is one being and the Creator (or Father) is another.

This is all assuming i am right in saying that in the Bible Jesus does say things like 'Oh Father' etc ie he does talk to his Father.

If anyone thinks my logic is wrong then please tell me where it is wrong. Many thanks
ali

Well Ali,
We could start by laying all weapons to rest and let hatred cease through serious attempts at understanding. Kindness to one another, kindness across borders, cultures, religions. We could start by putting our children first ahead of money, ahead of ideals, business schemes, ahead of dumping billions of dollars into space travel. We could start by respecting nature by assuming nature is always correct and if changes are proposed, the burden of proof is always on those making the changes to show the changes will not be harmful. We could start by having clean water, clean air and clean land, all around the earth with no exceptions.
We could start by instilling an understanding th...

Well Ali,
We could start by laying all weapons to rest and let hatred cease through serious attempts at understanding. Kindness to one another, kindness across borders, cultures, religions. We could start by putting our children first ahead of money, ahead of ideals, business schemes, ahead of dumping billions of dollars into space travel. We could start by respecting nature by assuming nature is always correct and if changes are proposed, the burden of proof is always on those making the changes to show the changes will not be harmful. We could start by having clean water, clean air and clean land, all around the earth with no exceptions.
We could start by instilling an understanding that we are all one species in spite of our cultural and historical differences. We could let "politics" revolve around what is best for most people. All people could be treated with respect and dignity and all people could be considered of equal inherent worth all playing necessary and important roles in society. We could eliminate human suffering in any way possible and the rights which include health, education, and the fundamentals of life be expanded rather than curtailed. We could start by comprehending we will perish in the not too distant future if we fail to learn to live together. We could start by not attacking those who speak the truth and ostracizing those who tell lies and letting people of wisdom speak, be listened to and heeded. A tall order to fill? YES, and I believe Christians should lead the way instead of all this other foolishness.

I am not religious, but nor am I an atheist, as this merely classes me in a different section in the belief / faith debate. I respect and treat ALL people of all faiths and races equally, as I do the same for all things I encounter, trees, cows, sand, rocks water...etc. I do not need a higher being or ancient teaching to tell me how to live, and in turn I do not have to answer to anyone when my time comes. I am capable of hate, but also of making choices, and if I choose to respect others decision to hate, then thats what I'll do. Religion or faith is not to blame for any wars, people are to blame, and people making a decision to fight. Respecting others opinions and beliefs can be difficult...

I am not religious, but nor am I an atheist, as this merely classes me in a different section in the belief / faith debate. I respect and treat ALL people of all faiths and races equally, as I do the same for all things I encounter, trees, cows, sand, rocks water...etc. I do not need a higher being or ancient teaching to tell me how to live, and in turn I do not have to answer to anyone when my time comes. I am capable of hate, but also of making choices, and if I choose to respect others decision to hate, then thats what I'll do. Religion or faith is not to blame for any wars, people are to blame, and people making a decision to fight. Respecting others opinions and beliefs can be difficult if we do not understand the decisions those people made to reach their belief, but making a decision to attempt to see others opinions would certainly be a good place to start. In my opinion!

I guess it is time for old feather butt to chime in with a few remarks concerning this leg of comments between Deby Ali and socrat.

Deby wrote:

We could start by laying all weapons to rest and let hatred cease
through serious attempts at understanding. Kindness to one another,
kindness across borders, cultures, religions. We could start by putting
our children first ahead of money, ahead of ideals, business schemes,
ahead of dumping billions of dollars into space travel.

Socrat then said:

Its simple folks, just follow the Golden Rule.

Never mind pointing fingers at the other person ...... just do it.

And Ali was replying along the way with somet...

I guess it is time for old feather butt to chime in with a few remarks concerning this leg of comments between Deby Ali and socrat.

Deby wrote:

We could start by laying all weapons to rest and let hatred cease
through serious attempts at understanding. Kindness to one another,
kindness across borders, cultures, religions. We could start by putting
our children first ahead of money, ahead of ideals, business schemes,
ahead of dumping billions of dollars into space travel.

Socrat then said:

Its simple folks, just follow the Golden Rule.

Never mind pointing fingers at the other person ...... just do it.

And Ali was replying along the way with something like this:

As you said Debby, people are already Doing It. And causing a lot of problems. Not solving them.

Why
bother reasoning with others and trying to discover where the truth
lies, and the right method to achieve the correct aim. Simply Do It. ie
Do what you want, how you want it and alls well that ends well.

The problem with living by the golden rule or for that matter any law is that lawless people exsist in the world. A fallen, unregenerate, unsaved, sinful world is not about to live by the golden rule let alone any other rule of law. A government by 'rule of law' can only exsist as a peaceful nation when the inhabitates are moral and law abiding citizenry. In a nation or group of people who feel that they are above the law or make their own laws and have no respect for human life the golden rule is not going to apply.

I can not see terrorists living by the golden rule. I can not imagine Nazi Germany under Hitler playing by the golden rule. Nor can I see SATAN and his minions playing by the golden rule unless that golden rule is KILL OR BE KILLED.

Until the time of the end when Jesus returns to RULE WITH A GOLDEN Scepter there shall be wars and rumors of wars, pestilance and other nasty things. We who are moral need to live worthy of

The second thread of this discussion goes something like this:

1) What is the Method to do all this? and

2) Who decides who the people of truth are?

In other words what is the source of absolute truth? Does absolute truth exist? If there is no absolute truth then any 'truth' will do. In the television program Shark James Woods had a line that lends to this discussion well. When the truth doesn't work pick one that will. He was referring to legal arguments but the same can be said about foreign affairs and all matters of state and statehood.

If we remove absolute truth from society (GOD and God's ways) then any truth will do. For if there is no absolute truth...

The second thread of this discussion goes something like this:

1) What is the Method to do all this? and

2) Who decides who the people of truth are?

In other words what is the source of absolute truth? Does absolute truth exist? If there is no absolute truth then any 'truth' will do. In the television program Shark James Woods had a line that lends to this discussion well. When the truth doesn't work pick one that will. He was referring to legal arguments but the same can be said about foreign affairs and all matters of state and statehood.

If we remove absolute truth from society (GOD and God's ways) then any truth will do. For if there is no absolute truth then in reality there is no truth at all only that which you preceive to be correct. The bible addresses this attitude quite nicely when it states in judges:

Judges 21:25 (KJV)

In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

There was a time in Israel's history where there was no ruler in the land and therefor there was no one to maintain order and mete out justice. Of course there was times in Israel's history where there were rules who meted out injustice but the point still remains. In our discussion here I submit that THERE IS A KING His name is KING JESUS who will ultimately mete out justice. Therefore I believe in an absolute right and wrong which permeates my world view to reason first that we are all sinful beings in need of redeemtion through Christ. Then once redeem through Christ we are to live as such.

Herein is where the problem lies. America is made up of many church going 'christian folks' who are not living as they should. So when other nations point to us and say WELL HEY THEY CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIAN look how they live.. they have some creedance for their arguments. However; that being said there are many nations on this planet who are not christian and therefore I can no

Eagle,
Personal transformation is utterly important. Without it, we remain within the world of our socialization, a world marked by limited vision, anxiety, preoccupation, confused loyalties, unhealed wounds, exile, and bondage. But the cross is also political. And if we do not see this, we risk betraying the passion for which Jesus was willing to give his life; the path of confrontation with the domination system and its injustice and violence. His passion, the kingdom of God, is what life would be like on earth if God were King and the rulers and systems of this world were not. A world of distributive justice in which everybody has enough, in which war is no more, and which nobody be ...

Eagle,
Personal transformation is utterly important. Without it, we remain within the world of our socialization, a world marked by limited vision, anxiety, preoccupation, confused loyalties, unhealed wounds, exile, and bondage. But the cross is also political. And if we do not see this, we risk betraying the passion for which Jesus was willing to give his life; the path of confrontation with the domination system and its injustice and violence. His passion, the kingdom of God, is what life would be like on earth if God were King and the rulers and systems of this world were not. A world of distributive justice in which everybody has enough, in which war is no more, and which nobody be afraid. It's not simply a political dream, but God's dream, a dream that can be realized only by our being grounded ever more deeply in the God whose heart is justice.

His passion, the kingdom of God, is what life would be like on earth if
God were King and the rulers and systems of this world were not.

Exactly Debby. This will happen only when Christ returns and vanquishes
evil. There can be no peace until Evil is vanquished. There can be no
justice til injustice is removed. There can be no lawlessness until the
father of all lies and lawlessness is rendered impotent.

Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.
For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will
deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such
things must happen, but the en...

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His passion, the kingdom of God, is what life would be like on earth if
God were King and the rulers and systems of this world were not.

Exactly Debby. This will happen only when Christ returns and vanquishes
evil. There can be no peace until Evil is vanquished. There can be no
justice til injustice is removed. There can be no lawlessness until the
father of all lies and lawlessness is rendered impotent.

Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.
For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will
deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such
things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise
against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and
earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth
pains.

“Then you will be handed over to be persecuted
and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.
At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and
hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many
people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will
grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 26:9-14 NIV

This
is what Jesus said and I believe Him over anyone on earth today.
Therefore He said it is going to happen so it shall and I shall do what
He says to do in this same passage.