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5-31-2007 10:56 AM
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Hmmm...

Andrew Williamson, a director of research for the Economist is quoted here as saying: "We are just mechanics and technicians behind the index. We are not making judgments about foreign policy."

Seems like he's trying to say to us: "Don't shoot the messenger!"
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5-31-2007 11:04 AM
ouyangwulong
Actually, I would be very interested in knowing more about their criteria for "peacefulness." If anyone can find them, clip it and let me know...

It seems to me that the definition of peace is a very subjective one. For instance, from the same article...

"The United States arguably has kept the peace since 1945, but with a high level of defense spending," Leo Abruzzese, an editorial director for the intelligence unit, said at a news conference at which the report was released.
What do you suppose he means by "kept the peace since 1945"? If he thinks of the latter half of the 20th Century as peaceful, then what on earth qualifies as not peaceful?
5-31-2007 3:05 PM
sparlingphoto
5-31-2007 8:08 PM
_Bane_
what probably hurts the US, when compared with the developed countries, is our violent crime statistics. If they take gun violence into consideration it would hurt our standing greatly.
5-31-2007 9:53 PM
ouyangwulong
Thanks for the link Sparlingphoto.

In reading the article, I think its interesting that they are at pains to remain vauge. (Lots of the words "like" or "such as" but not any concrete statements.) So they give us a feeling of their criteria without actually telling us what it was and how it was weighted.

They're probably just trying to protect themselves from criticism, but then again, why protect yourself from criticism?

As someone with intense distrust of the media, this starts raising red alarm flags all over the place. When they don't give us the details of their criteria, but try to make us think they did, that leaves a lot of room behind the scenes for subjective adjustment and covert editorialization.
6-1-2007 8:44 AM
righthand
Yes, America and 'friends', the 21st century 'liberation' army.

All is change, changed utterly. A terrible 'beauty' is born.
6-2-2007 12:58 AM
cniq_cniq
Seems like he's trying to say to us: "Don't shoot the messenger!"
More likely, it is an admission of including selective criteria -- a guilty conscience. It is very easy to stack a list like this in any preset order proven you choose the "proper" questions beforehand.
6-2-2007 12:59 AM
cniq_cniq
*proven = provided
6-3-2007 6:01 AM
ouyangwulong
This is exactly my concern. I never trust a journalist farther than I can throw him (or her) ...that gives me an idea!
6-4-2007 1:26 PM
willhelm
OK. I really do not get this one. How can we possibly not be 121?
6-5-2007 1:44 AM
cniq_cniq
The index, brainchild of the Economist Intelligence Unit, is described further
in this press
release, which also lists the countries in order of their ranking. It is
a very silly exercise:After compiling the Index, the researchers examined it for patterns in order
to identify the "drivers" that make for peaceful societies. They found that
peaceful countries often shared high levels of democracy and transparency
of government, education and material well-being. While the U.S. possesses
many of these characteristics, its ranking was brought down by its engagement
in warfare and external conflict, as well as high levels of incarceration
and homicide...
6-5-2007 1:46 AM
cniq_cniq
Another example of the survey's absurd bias: Israel places No. 119, ahead
of only Sudan and Iraq. But of course most Israelis would like nothing more
than to live in peace, as would their leaders. They are forced into frequent
wars because they are surrounded by enemy states, almost all of which The Economist
reckons as more "peaceful"--including Iran, which comes 22 places
above Israel despite its pursuit of nuclear weapons and its president's vow
to "wipe Israel off the map." Syria, at No. 77, actually places
well ahead of the U.S., despite its support for terrorists in Iraq, Lebanon
and Israel. The Palestinian Arabs aren't even mentioned in the survey, which...
6-5-2007 12:07 PM
ouyangwulong
Now, if I were going to use statistics to lie, and I'm not saying I do, and it was my goal to make America the No. 1 most peaceful nation, it would be just as easy as ranking it last.

I would first refine my definition of peace to include only war, not crime. Then I would take and spread out statistics we are high in, like military spending, with statistics we are low in, like civilian combat casualties. With a careful defintion of "combat" and "civilian" we could say the number of civilian combat casualties in America for the last century is 0.

Then I would also insist on diluting other things we are high in, like the number of troops commited to active combat zones, by dividing it by th...
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