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7-19-2007 3:48 PM
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jklugman says:
But how can we reconcile the facts with the demographics? Butcher and Piehl show that given their demographics, we should expect immigrants to commit crimes at double the native rate. But for some reason(s), demographics yield a massive overprediction; immigrants commit crimes at one-tenth the expected rate given their demographics. Yes, if immigrants acted like otherwise similar natives, they were be ten times as criminal as they actually are.

Why would this be so? The main theories that Butcher and Piehl explore: (1) Immigrants self-select for law-abiding behavior; (2) Immigrants are more responsive to deterrence than natives. Personally, the most plausible story to me is that immigrants feel lucky to be in the U.S. and don't want to forfeit their "big break," so they try extra-hard to stay out of trouble.
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7-19-2007 9:53 PM
willhelm
I am not surprised by this at all. In fact I think if you are surprised it is based on some inherent bigotry. The whole tone of the article is bigoted. Immigrants usually always make better Americans than Native-born Americans. Our Immigrants are what keep our country fresh, creative, and vibrant. The shock and surprise revealed in this clip is evident of the Materialist worldview and proof that world view is repugnant .
7-19-2007 10:13 PM
ratilfar
Once again you miss the point entirely....

The tittle of the article is...

Mea Culpa: How I Succumbed to Anti-Foreign Bias

Which means that the writer(s) is in fact trying to counter many of the supositions that people have about immigrants, specially with all the hysteria surrounding "illegal" immigration.

The article ends with the following.

In any case, given my repeated attacks on anti-foreign bias,
I should have been more skeptical of popular claims about immigrants'
criminal propensities. So to every immigrant out there, I'm sorry. I'll
try not to let it happen again.
That sounds like somebody who had a bias, saw soem facts to the contrary and faced up to his bias. I give him props for that.
7-19-2007 10:23 PM
willhelm
That sounds like somebody who had a bias, saw soem facts to the contrary and faced up to his bias. I give him props for that.
Great. we agree.
7-19-2007 10:36 PM
jklugman
Willhelm, 5/18/2007:
World Net Daily said:

A bloodbath just south of the Mexican border has alarmed neighboring Arizona towns that have nervously monitored a rise in violence in the Mexican state of Sonora the past two months.
TAGS: mexico, border, illegal immigration, crime
Willhelm, 7/19/2007:
I am not surprised by [a study showing that immigrants are much less likely to be incarcerated than native-born Americans] at all. In fact I think if you are surprised it is based on some inherent bigotry. The whole tone of the article is bigoted. Immigrants usually always ma...
7-19-2007 10:46 PM
ratilfar
No we don't Willhelm, instead of seening the good here, you simply attack the author and then inject your obsession with "materialism". What does that have to do with the article, besides your own bias, I have no idea.

The guy did good and for some reason you decide to slam him.
7-19-2007 10:47 PM
willhelm
Illegal immigration has nothing to do with with Immigration. You keep digging your hole of bigotry. To compare legal immigrants (who oppose ill-imms) with legal immigrants is the most race-baiting, hateful, bigoted comment I have ever heard from you and you are full of them.
7-19-2007 10:49 PM
willhelm
WOW :: NEWSFLASH FROM JK !!!!!!!!

IMMIGRANTS -- ARE NOT -- CRIMINALS... SURPRISE!
7-19-2007 10:53 PM
willhelm
Stay tuned, Next JK will reveal black people are not all gang members....
7-19-2007 10:57 PM
ratilfar
Illegal immigration has nothing to do with with Immigration.

Oh really, in what universe?

Have you actually read the immigration code?

Besides I am not the one been bigoted here. Do you know what people talk about when they talk about the "immigration debate"?

What the author is doing is a) facing up to his own misconceptions and b) correcting those the assert that immigrants (regardless of the legal status within the U.S.) do not largely commit other criminal acts. Thats the whole point of the article. Your the one making the distinction, I don't. I worked with immigrants, legal or otherwise and in my experience most of them are hard working people who want to feed their families an...
7-19-2007 10:58 PM
jklugman
It is very common to see clips on this community about an illegal immigrant killing a native-born American, thus proving that illegal immigrants are criminal and we need to get rid of them.

I clip an article where the blogger publicizes a study's finding that immigrants (encompassing both legal and illegal immigrants) are less likely to be in jail than native born Americans.

Whom does Willhelm accuse of anti-immigrant bigotry?
7-19-2007 11:04 PM
willhelm
Jk, your continual bigotry is sickening. Do you think you can make it through a sentence without revealing it.

If you want to call me a bigot because I want the border sealed for security reasons , while at the same time saying I want everyone that wants to come here given a route to come thru in a responsible fashion . That is fine , The idiocy IS YOURS. I am just tired of your constant bigoted and hateful display against the poor - thinking they are incapable of achieving anything, blacks, jews, immigrants. I mean it is just VILE !!!
7-19-2007 11:06 PM
willhelm
By the way .. Good luck with your move. Safe travels. Don't stay away too long.
7-19-2007 11:30 PM
jklugman
The idiocy IS YOURS. I am just tired of your constant bigoted and hateful display against the poor - thinking they are incapable of achieving anything, blacks, jews, immigrants. I mean it is just VILE !!!
In case someone who doesn't know me is reading this, I feel compelled to point out that this is not true. Willhelm's claim that I am bigoted against poor people, blacks, and Jews is just as weak and threadbare as the accusation he levels here that I am bigoted against immigrants.

Thanks for the good luck though.
7-19-2007 11:31 PM
willhelm
You are welcomed.
7-22-2007 1:56 AM
venushugstress
Why should anyone be surprised. Immigrants find it a privilege to live in in America, Citizen are looking for what the govt (or some such body) owes them. We have lost respect for our own Country. Look at how it got it's start, slaughtering a whole Nation and putting survivors on a reservation.
7-22-2007 3:50 AM
Wadard
Deport all natives?
7-26-2007 2:26 PM
willhelm
Why? Venushugstress, Hate is why. JK and Wadard point this out well on a consistent basis.
7-26-2007 2:35 PM
ratilfar
Hate? What hate? Your twisting their words around so that you can get your jollies off. But that is your colling card, dodge, ignore and twist.
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