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1-25-2008 4:02 PM
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1-25-2008 4:43 PM
constantskeptic
wow, amazing
1-25-2008 5:50 PM
bignosemousie
This is truly miraculous. We have no idea how things work, really.
1-28-2008 12:20 AM
Oortcloud
Uhm, if we understand how it happened then its not a miracle. It's just a rare event.
bignosemousie said:

This is truly miraculous. We have no idea how things work, really.
Well, according to this, they have a pretty good idea :
The article said:

Brennan's body changed blood group from O negative to O positive when she became ill while on drugs to avoid rejection of the organ by her body's immune system.

Her new liver's blood stem cells then invaded her body's bone marrow to take over her entire immune system, meaning the teen no longer needs anti-rejection drugs.
No need to pander to god here. Just a rare occurrence that doctors were able to figure out. If any god want...
1-28-2008 5:21 AM
catloverdoreen
wow that's a real miracle - it's amazing!
1-28-2008 11:10 AM
bignosemousie
Knowing "how" doesn't mean knowing why.

Doctors said they had no explanation for Brennan's recovery
Do they know why it happened in her case and it not in others?
1-28-2008 3:40 PM
Oortcloud
Sounds like you are reaching for any excuse to attribute this to god. The universe is arbitrary and unfeeling. Good stuff happens to bad people and bad stuff happens to good people. Sometimes good stuff happens to good people and bad stuff happens to bad people. When it works out that way, its not a sign that god is at work. In fact its exactly what how you would expect things to work out.

This girl was fortunate. A combination of events that worked in her favor. Just because we don't know why it happened doesn't mean it is supernatural. Hundreds of people die every day for no apparent fair reason. Should we be saying that their death is a miracle? What a horrible master you envision.

Tel...
1-28-2008 3:50 PM
Oortcloud
You know the core thing about this that makes me want to speak out? Theists would have us declare this a miracle and walk away praising god. Thank goodness that there are many who would not be so easily distracted and search to discover how things happen. It is those people that provided the techniques that saved this girl. Praise them, not a mythological figure. It is they who will work to understand what happened here in order to provide that same "miracle" to other patients.

If I am wrong, then please present all the medical, scientific breakthroughs and discoveries developed by the church and clergy.
1-29-2008 10:20 AM
Oortcloud
I just discovered that the main premise of her "miracle" is wrong. She did not change her blood group, she is still "O". Her blood gained an RH antigen.

Wikipedia provides information on RH blood group system

I won't even pretend to understand half of what is on that link, but the significant think to realize is that her blood did not change groups, it gained the RH antigen.

1-29-2008 1:06 PM
willhelm
Sounds like you are reaching for any excuse to attribute this to god.
It seems more likely that you reaching for the opposite excuse. The fact is every incident, "miracle", scientific discovery, and fact only raises the amount that we do not know. With each question answered many more new questions arise. we will NEVER know exactly how things work. Or, why!
1-29-2008 9:21 PM
Oortcloud
It seems more likely that you reaching for the opposite excuse.
And how am I "reaching" when there is so much understanding behind how it happened? Or has the bar on what is deemed a miracle been lowered? God starting to run out of unknowns and gaps to hide in?

God : Lets see, I need to use up my miracle quota today ... what do we have ...nah. Starving children ...no. Cancer victims ... not today. A bus full of nuns hit by a drunk ...I don't think so ... ah! Here we are! A girl who survived her liver transplant! I'll just screw with her blood and the media will hype it up more than its worth. Double the results, half the effort!
1-29-2008 11:12 PM
sylviadafox
why does it have to do with either god or not god? why can't it just be what it is? isn't that enough?
1-30-2008 12:03 AM
Oortcloud
That's what I keep trying to point out. It is what it is. Nothing more than an interesting study for medicine to examine, figure out, and maybe utilize to help future patients.

If its going to be attributed to god then may as well attribute it to The Great Spaghetti Monster too, or Zeus, or Isis, or whatever.
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