Egoldstein, your profound self-delusion is amazing.

Stem cell research - GW Bush was the first president in history to federally fund stem cell research. That is a fact. Palin does not oppose stem-cell research. So, you are lying.
What she opposes is creating life in a lab for the purpose of destroying it for research.

Pro-gun? - well, the pesky 2nd amendment is troublesome, isn't it? You suggest the sole criteria we base a selection for president on is how willing they are to trash the constitution? That's a good start.

Pro big oil? - Everyone should be pro-big oil. The reason you have everything you have, including your computer and clipmarks, and the clothing you wear is because of bi...

Egoldstein, your profound self-delusion is amazing.

Stem cell research - GW Bush was the first president in history to federally fund stem cell research. That is a fact. Palin does not oppose stem-cell research. So, you are lying.
What she opposes is creating life in a lab for the purpose of destroying it for research.

Pro-gun? - well, the pesky 2nd amendment is troublesome, isn't it? You suggest the sole criteria we base a selection for president on is how willing they are to trash the constitution? That's a good start.

Pro big oil? - Everyone should be pro-big oil. The reason you have everything you have, including your computer and clipmarks, and the clothing you wear is because of big oil. Global warming you say. Moron I say.
Also, she is a big environmentalist and outdoors woman. I suppose you and Obama get very little exposure to trees. I have never understood why Leftists hate the outdoors so much.

Zero foreign policy experience - Sure she doesn't have much, but she does share a border with 2 nations, Canada and Russia where she has had dealings. That is more than Obama. Also, she is not running for president. She is running for vice president.

Well I am a progressive Democrat and I love the outdoors and I am dove hunting tomorrow.

That does not make Palin an automatic environmentalist in my book what-so-ever.

Just because I go dove hunting using my fathers Browning model 11 semiautomatic shotgun that's been in the family for 63 years doesn't mean that I support gun ownership of every type including AK-47's, other automatic weapons, concealed carry laws, or shoot first ask questions later - innocent regardless who you kill and why self defense laws.

Silly, fine, maybe Sarah (glad you finally got the spelling right) has a place in Alaska politics, but mayor of an 8,000 person town and 20 months in office is not material for one ...

Well I am a progressive Democrat and I love the outdoors and I am dove hunting tomorrow.

That does not make Palin an automatic environmentalist in my book what-so-ever.

Just because I go dove hunting using my fathers Browning model 11 semiautomatic shotgun that's been in the family for 63 years doesn't mean that I support gun ownership of every type including AK-47's, other automatic weapons, concealed carry laws, or shoot first ask questions later - innocent regardless who you kill and why self defense laws.

Silly, fine, maybe Sarah (glad you finally got the spelling right) has a place in Alaska politics, but mayor of an 8,000 person town and 20 months in office is not material for one heart beat away. The republican I cited represents Palins town where she was mayor. She probably knows Palin very well.

Did you not say that mis-characterizing ones comments would be a ground for dismissal from clipmarks?

I certainly don't recall saying that as I don't have the time or ability to read every comment and make a determination about whether they are mis-characterizing someone else's comments.

Honestly, i have no idea why you feel the need to attack me as often as you do. It's no secret that I disagree with you most of the time. Further, you know that I find many of your comments to be too harsh and rude to others on the site. Yet i leave you alone except on the very rare occasion that i think you've gone too far in attacking someone else - in which case i simply ask you to st...

Did you not say that mis-characterizing ones comments would be a ground for dismissal from clipmarks?

I certainly don't recall saying that as I don't have the time or ability to read every comment and make a determination about whether they are mis-characterizing someone else's comments.

Honestly, i have no idea why you feel the need to attack me as often as you do. It's no secret that I disagree with you most of the time. Further, you know that I find many of your comments to be too harsh and rude to others on the site. Yet i leave you alone except on the very rare occasion that i think you've gone too far in attacking someone else - in which case i simply ask you to stop. Yet for some reason you constantly feel the need to go after me personally on the site. I truly don't understand it or appreciate it. It is solely because of my strong desire to create a place on the web for people to share all perspectives - not just the ones i agree with - that i put up with it.

@tanyamm

Here you go. I realize you are relatively new around here so you probably aren't as familiar as the rest of us with willhelm's rhetoric.

"I just never thought you would be so thoroughly steeped in bovine scatology."

"is as classless and intellectually pathetic as it gets."

"like some sort of Che Guevara t-shirt wearing, non toilet paper using 18 year old"

And these are just from the last 3 days. Multiply that times the 2-3 years he's been submitting his garbage on this website and you might, repeat might, get the picture.

Here's what another well versed clipper said about willhelm's tactics:

@willhelm... I've walked into this ...

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@tanyamm

Here you go. I realize you are relatively new around here so you probably aren't as familiar as the rest of us with willhelm's rhetoric.

"I just never thought you would be so thoroughly steeped in bovine scatology."

"is as classless and intellectually pathetic as it gets."

"like some sort of Che Guevara t-shirt wearing, non toilet paper using 18 year old"

And these are just from the last 3 days. Multiply that times the 2-3 years he's been submitting his garbage on this website and you might, repeat might, get the picture.

Here's what another well versed clipper said about willhelm's tactics:

@willhelm... I've walked into this little trap of yours sufficiently often for it not to be amusing any more -- I mean the gambit where I restate what you said in your first comment and then you accuse me of putting words in your mouth. I mean the position that any reasonable English-speaking person would conclude that you espouse, based on your first comment.

It's very sad.

What do you except from a class A troll?

For Ego, the discussion forum is all about him, and he regards discussions that stray from that topic as trivial dalliances. Although tolerant of an occasional shift in focus, Ego grows increasingly restive when the forum's attention shifts away from his interests, and he will often provoke conflict to reestablish himself as the subject at hand. Ego is one the the fiercest of all the Warriors and will fight to the death when attacked.

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Troglodyte seems to have emerged from the mists...

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What do you except from a class A troll?

For Ego, the discussion forum is all about him, and he regards discussions that stray from that topic as trivial dalliances. Although tolerant of an occasional shift in focus, Ego grows increasingly restive when the forum's attention shifts away from his interests, and he will often provoke conflict to reestablish himself as the subject at hand. Ego is one the the fiercest of all the Warriors and will fight to the death when attacked.

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Troglodyte seems to have emerged from the mists of time untouched by human evolution. Devoid of a single progressive idea and lacking the slightest awareness of social and cultural advances, Troglodyte has developed an incoherent political philosophy that he characterizes as "conservative" or "libertarian", but which could be more accurately described as "bigoted narcissism". His aggressive posturing often frightens off weaker, more timid Warriors. In pitched battle, however, Troglodyte easily loses control and his attack quickly degenerates into a rant. Just for the fun of it, Weenie, Issues. Pinko and Evil Clown will sometimes deliberately goad him into a towering rage.

But at heart he is nothing more than:

Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics. Sometimes out of pure frustration Philosopher will try to explain to him the failed logistics of his situation, or Therapist will attempt to penetrate the psychological origins of his ob...

But at heart he is nothing more than:

Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics. Sometimes out of pure frustration Philosopher will try to explain to him the failed logistics of his situation, or Therapist will attempt to penetrate the psychological origins of his obduracy, but, ever unfathomable, Ferrous Cranus cannot be moved.

Makes for one noxious combination.

Eric, you might be shocked, but there are people who vote Democrat strictly because it's a Democrat, regardless of anything else. Same with women... and even though this isn't the first time in history, it is the second, I believe, and thus I'm sure a number of women who do care about women advancing would vote for her. Hillary was their vote before, for exactly the same reason, but Obama couldn't see the light on that one (talk about missing out on the VP choice) and so they'll go elsewhere. There were a number of people polled that were so pro-Hillary that they said that if she isn't on the ticket - they'll vote for McCain... so if that's the case - why is it a shock that they'd vote fo...

Eric, you might be shocked, but there are people who vote Democrat strictly because it's a Democrat, regardless of anything else. Same with women... and even though this isn't the first time in history, it is the second, I believe, and thus I'm sure a number of women who do care about women advancing would vote for her. Hillary was their vote before, for exactly the same reason, but Obama couldn't see the light on that one (talk about missing out on the VP choice) and so they'll go elsewhere. There were a number of people polled that were so pro-Hillary that they said that if she isn't on the ticket - they'll vote for McCain... so if that's the case - why is it a shock that they'd vote for a woman. Besides, she looks a heck of a lot better than Biden, so why not?

republicans would love to have Hillary on the democratic ticket. Nothing inspires republicans than voting against the Clintons

I know what I know about politics, but what's very clear is that you don't have a clue about Republicans with a statement like that. Totally absurd notion.

As for why 'McBush' didn't pick Romney - that's extremely simple, even my 4-yr old knows that 'McBush' isn't running for the Office, one would think you'd be old enough to figure that part out.

But as to why McCain didn't pick Romney - that's very evident from a political standpoint & pure logical one as well... I won't give you the answer, but I'll give you a hint - check results of the last p...

republicans would love to have Hillary on the democratic ticket. Nothing inspires republicans than voting against the Clintons

I know what I know about politics, but what's very clear is that you don't have a clue about Republicans with a statement like that. Totally absurd notion.

As for why 'McBush' didn't pick Romney - that's extremely simple, even my 4-yr old knows that 'McBush' isn't running for the Office, one would think you'd be old enough to figure that part out.

But as to why McCain didn't pick Romney - that's very evident from a political standpoint & pure logical one as well... I won't give you the answer, but I'll give you a hint - check results of the last primaries. It's not the only reason, but certainly a major one.

And what 'truth' exactly did Romney tell? Refresh my memory, please. I remember Biden saying something about Obama NOT being ready for prime time, remember that one? I'm sure you'll hear it again, if you didn't, since it's on public record. Or does that not qualify as 'truth' in your circles?

I'm not a Clinton fan by any stretch. Couldn't stand Bill for lying to my face (and it's not because he's a Clinton, it's because I can't stand anyone lying to my face), lost all respect for Hillary when she stood by the bum considering Monica... not to mention Jennifer, Paula etc. Talk about complete lack of self-esteem or 100% sell-out for political gains (I'm sure it was the latter). But it was amazing how someone so educated & reasonably smart can have an opportunity of I don't know how many generations, and skip a minority (someone your party supposedly a champion of), who had 18million votes (that's not polls we're talking about, but FACTS) and this huge following, barely being able to eek out the candidates to win (and that was strictly due to the media sitting on rev. Wright etc. stories, otherwise she would be the nominee) and pick someone who said that he wasn't ready for the job (Obama that is, in case you're

Of course McBush didn't pick Romney. That's a paradoy of McBush's add he put out during the Democratic National convention. If you think it sounds ridiculous it should. It's called a parody.

And actually the procedures were from comments made by John McBush's own staff. I think they know something about McBush's campaign. A lot more than you do that's for certain. The comments were made by Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter. It is true that it wasn't one day but it was extremely short.

McCain did not speak face to face with Palin until Thursday morning, at his retreat in Sedona, Ariz. He also talked to her by telephone the previous Sunday. McCain had spoken with all of the others on his shortl...

Of course McBush didn't pick Romney. That's a paradoy of McBush's add he put out during the Democratic National convention. If you think it sounds ridiculous it should. It's called a parody.

And actually the procedures were from comments made by John McBush's own staff. I think they know something about McBush's campaign. A lot more than you do that's for certain. The comments were made by Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter. It is true that it wasn't one day but it was extremely short.

McCain did not speak face to face with Palin until Thursday morning, at his retreat in Sedona, Ariz. He also talked to her by telephone the previous Sunday. McCain had spoken with all of the others on his shortlist over the course of a selection process that went on for several months, but he was least familiar personally with the person he finally chose.

It should be obvious to you that there are all sort of things coming out of the woodwork about Palin. That doesn't happen when you have a thoroughly vetted candidate (usually).

What I have found hilarioius lately was Joe Lieberman's speech where he said John McBush was his own man. However, McBush wanted to select Lieberman as his running mate but the rabid right wing wouldn't have it so he caved and picked the lightly vetted Palin. Looks like the Maverick came up lame.

Your commentary on the Clintons provides everything you need to know why Obama did not select Hillary for the VP position.

Read your own words and you will see why it would take hell freezing over for me to vote republican

"I don't care about the vetting process"

Pluck up anyone off of any street corner just as long as they can support some gimmick in your campaign (gimmick is not my word but conservative stalwart Peggy Noonan who was caught on an open mic saying McCain has lost the election with this pick).

"Are you kidding me, the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska? Yeah, that's who you want in the White House during a time of crisis. When she got a phone call at 3 in the morning, it was because a moose had gotten in the garbage can." –Bill Maher

That's all right. I think the biggest fools are those who vote republi...

Read your own words and you will see why it would take hell freezing over for me to vote republican

"I don't care about the vetting process"

Pluck up anyone off of any street corner just as long as they can support some gimmick in your campaign (gimmick is not my word but conservative stalwart Peggy Noonan who was caught on an open mic saying McCain has lost the election with this pick).

"Are you kidding me, the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska? Yeah, that's who you want in the White House during a time of crisis. When she got a phone call at 3 in the morning, it was because a moose had gotten in the garbage can." –Bill Maher

That's all right. I think the biggest fools are those who vote republican. Just how many times can you be lied to after all?

Let's not for a second suggest that Democrats don't lie, there's plenty of that. You can beat yourself silly convincing yourself that she's 'mayor of Wasilla', but she is the Governor of Alaska. I realize that makes her a lot more than a 'gimmick', but that's the fact, Jack.

And quoting people to me certainly has relevance, but that would be credible normal people (i.e. Bill Maher is NOT on the list). He's a comic and isn't even that good one at that.

As for you not voting for a Republican, simply shows your idiotic clinging to an ideology/party instead of using common sense and looking at the people and what they stand for.

If Bill Clinton was 'ready' to be President due to his gubern...

Let's not for a second suggest that Democrats don't lie, there's plenty of that. You can beat yourself silly convincing yourself that she's 'mayor of Wasilla', but she is the Governor of Alaska. I realize that makes her a lot more than a 'gimmick', but that's the fact, Jack.

And quoting people to me certainly has relevance, but that would be credible normal people (i.e. Bill Maher is NOT on the list). He's a comic and isn't even that good one at that.

As for you not voting for a Republican, simply shows your idiotic clinging to an ideology/party instead of using common sense and looking at the people and what they stand for.

If Bill Clinton was 'ready' to be President due to his gubernatorial experience - so is she. Different state - same executive experience. Besides, it's ridiculous how you (and the rest of the left) buries John McCain ahead of his time... He survived Vietnam... he may outlive you.

The woman is tough, she has experience, she's smart and she isn't the elite crap you see at stadiums these days (i.e. a normal person)... and she's ready, willing & able to take on you and yours and that scares the crap out of you, because there are going to be real people voting for a real person, not someone carrying paper props after speeches full of promises and hope - delivering nothing in substance.

It should make zero difference whether she's Republican or Democrat, man or woman etc. But to you, supposedly liberal, all-caring, all-giving - it certainly does make a difference. This exercise is a clear example of why your party isn't the party of tolerance & compassion - it's the party of bigotry, intolerance and, in this instance, sexism.

If Palin was a Democrat - I'd vote for her in a heartbeat, but you don't have anyone on that level... you only had Hillary in the gender department and even her you snubbed for strictly political reasons, certainly had nothing to do with her constituents or following or credentials.

I don't know where you all come up with this ridiculous stuff. It happens in both parties.

Gerald Ford didn't pick Ronald Reagan as his Vice Presidential candidate in 1976. In fact very rarely does the 2nd place finisher get picked as the vice presidential candidate. I could go through every 4 years of primaries and list the results to show you if that would finally make you believe me.

Hillary hasn't been thrown under the bus. If she felt that way she wouldn't have given the speeches and endorsements for Obama that she did. There are other potential roles for her to play when Obama gets elected that any person and woman would find desirable.

What you are attempting to do with your pathet...

I don't know where you all come up with this ridiculous stuff. It happens in both parties.

Gerald Ford didn't pick Ronald Reagan as his Vice Presidential candidate in 1976. In fact very rarely does the 2nd place finisher get picked as the vice presidential candidate. I could go through every 4 years of primaries and list the results to show you if that would finally make you believe me.

Hillary hasn't been thrown under the bus. If she felt that way she wouldn't have given the speeches and endorsements for Obama that she did. There are other potential roles for her to play when Obama gets elected that any person and woman would find desirable.

What you are attempting to do with your pathetic grasp on history is very transparent. Your no student of history and all you are trying to do is stir the pot which is fine. But don't act like you know history.

About "gimmick", don't argue with me. Argue with Peggy Noonan who spends all her days writing for republicans and against democrats.

The elite crap is John and Cindy McBush. Cindy's outfit at the RNC cost $300,000 dollars. What average person struggling to get by each day in today's economy wears a $300,000 outfit. That is elite crap.

I haven't been 'blindsided'. You get a lot of your quotes and info from places I have zero confidence in in terms of validity. I realize it fits your agenda well, but as we all know any idiot can post anything on the net, so I'd consider seriously your examples if they were from credible sources. For example - if Mrs. McCain the 1st was to have an interview or write a book matching your sentiments - I'd certainly give it more credence... that's not the case though. Same with every other example. Considering the anti-Bush, liberal bias in the media - they'd eat this stuff up and put it on 24hrs a day. They don't. Logically it makes no sense... unless of course this is totally bogus and...

I haven't been 'blindsided'. You get a lot of your quotes and info from places I have zero confidence in in terms of validity. I realize it fits your agenda well, but as we all know any idiot can post anything on the net, so I'd consider seriously your examples if they were from credible sources. For example - if Mrs. McCain the 1st was to have an interview or write a book matching your sentiments - I'd certainly give it more credence... that's not the case though. Same with every other example. Considering the anti-Bush, liberal bias in the media - they'd eat this stuff up and put it on 24hrs a day. They don't. Logically it makes no sense... unless of course this is totally bogus and non-credible. I'm not saying it's true or not true, but applying simple logic - it doesn't compute... and for me - it has to.

Continue on Recordage. Your denial of the marital infidelity of John McBush and the fact that he and Cindy the Saintess took out their marriage licenses before McBush's divorce with his devoted but crippled wife makes you look more and more like a fool. I didn't think that was possible but you continue to surprise me.

Marriage licenses and divorce records are kept by the state. They aren't made up by questionable sources.

When you watched McBush lifetime video at the RNC didn't you even stop to wonder why the video skipped from his arrival home in 1973 straight to his wedding with Cindy in 1980-81. Since you are a man of logic and require facts wasn't your curiosity sparked even one little...

Continue on Recordage. Your denial of the marital infidelity of John McBush and the fact that he and Cindy the Saintess took out their marriage licenses before McBush's divorce with his devoted but crippled wife makes you look more and more like a fool. I didn't think that was possible but you continue to surprise me.

Marriage licenses and divorce records are kept by the state. They aren't made up by questionable sources.

When you watched McBush lifetime video at the RNC didn't you even stop to wonder why the video skipped from his arrival home in 1973 straight to his wedding with Cindy in 1980-81. Since you are a man of logic and require facts wasn't your curiosity sparked even one little bit.

When McBush and Obama were together with on TV with Rick Warren, the pastor of Saddleback Baptist Church, and Warren asked McBush what was his biggest personal failing in his life and McBush answered his behavior that resulted in the ending of his first marriage, was that not proof enough for you?

Please, pull your head out of the sand before you suffocate yourself.