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11-24-2008 4:30 PM
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dulios says:
Better to live under robber barons than under "omnipotent moral busybodies."
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11-25-2008 7:33 PM
chestnut501
Well......it's about time
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11-27-2008 11:04 AM
Jorjor
...a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims...
That's a good description of most major organized religions.
11-28-2008 1:51 AM
keith0718
Dulios, what would Lewis call tyrannical in our present political climate?
11-30-2008 2:53 AM
dulios
Dulios, what would Lewis call tyrannical in our present political climate?
Omnipotent moral busybodies.
12-6-2008 12:22 PM
Efrain Alvarado
To further explain Lewis' views on the matter in context of his article:

"In reality, however, we must face the possibility of bad rulers armed with a Humanitarian theory of punishment. A great many popular blue prints for a Christian society are merely what the Elizabethans called "eggs in moonshine" because they assume that the whole society is Christian or that the Christians are in control. This is not so in most contemporary States. Even if it were, our rulers would still be fallen men, and, therefore, neither very wise nor very good. As it is, they will usually be unbelievers. And since wisdom and virtue are not the only or the commonest qualifications for a place in the government, ...
12-9-2008 11:00 PM
dulios
The practical problem of Christian politics is not that of drawing up schemes for a Christian society, but that of living as innocently as we can with unbelieving fellow-subjects under unbelieving rulers who will never be perfectly wise and good and who will sometimes be very wicked and very foolish."
In other words, "better to live under robber barons than omnipotent moral busybodies."
12-13-2008 7:32 AM
keith0718
What Lewis is referring to are those who either jettison the natural moral law or supersede it to fashion their own arbitrary morality which they foist on everybody--the global warmies, PETA people, etc. Specifically, Lewis was referring to those who want to do away with the death penalty. You're cherry-picking Lewis and pressing him into the service of your leftist ideas. Have you read the whole essay from which this quote comes? How about any other Lewis such "The Poison of Subjectivism" which is a pretty scathing indictment of "pro-choice" ethics?
12-13-2008 2:51 PM
dulios
Lewis died in 1963, before "global warmies, PETA people" and legalized abortion.

12-14-2008 5:35 AM
keith0718
Duh.

But he's referring the term "moral busybodies" to people like them, not the people to whom you refer the term to, i.e. those, (including Lewis) who uphold and defend the Moral Law. Apparently you haven't even read the essay from which this quote comes.
12-14-2008 12:58 PM
dulios
not the people to whom you refer
I made no reference to anybody. The fact that you (and Efrain) think I'm referring to you is pretty interesting, though.
12-14-2008 5:43 PM
keith0718
Well, it's easy to tell in which ideological camp you lie. Are you saying that you are quoting Lewis *against* your views? That would be odd. So, as interesting as you think it is, it's quite safe to assume that you are (mis)quoting Lewis in support of your views, not against them.
12-14-2008 7:30 PM
chestnut501
The whole freekin' quote is 3 sentences long. Need I say more?
12-14-2008 7:35 PM
chestnut501
By the way, I read it one time, it was crystal clear. It made complete sense. It's not even debatable.
12-15-2008 12:50 PM
dulios
Thank you, chestnut! I've tried to make that point again and again by refusing to be drawn into argument by simply repeating Lewis' own words. Seems crystal clear to me, too.

While Lewis addressed in his writings the "big issues" of his day, he was decidedly apolitical, even refusing a knighthood. He declared himself a democrat and argued that theocracy is the worst form of government.

Lewis opposed the idea of a "Christian party" or a "Christian political platform" in his essay Meditation on the Third Commandment:

It (a Christian Party) [i]will be exposed, in an aggravated degree, to that temptation which the Devil sp...
12-15-2008 2:00 PM
keith0718
Liberals use the state to impose their morality all the time, and they get away with it because their faith isn’t called a religion.
--Jonah Goldberg

12-15-2008 2:20 PM
dulios
Jonah Goldberg?
12-16-2008 11:37 PM
chestnut501
Hey, I like this Lewis guy. Usually I have to read something more than once to understand it, but not with him. I just read his Meditations on the Third Commandment. The Christian Party is one of all religions, however all religions are not like the Christion religion. We are familiar with it and know that it sprinkles acts of kindness and good will around in an effort to distract us from its similarity with all religion. That being that all religions have as their main purpose the willful control of other people unlike themselves. Take marriage for example. If I remember this right from my college days. The institution of marriage started to take hold long before modern religion. It was pre...
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