 tommy2balmy says: I totally disagree with Pastor John Piper. But then again I am not Christian. But I have a tough time believing that "God" gave children fat bottoms so they can be "whopped." And that inflicting "non-damaging" pain on a child is "really healthy." Hitting others is not a way to solve problems. Heb 12:5 (and following) " And have you forgotten the exhortation addressed to you as sons? "My son, do not scorn the Lord's discipline or give up when he corrects you." There are many ways to discipline and if you believe the Scriptures the God of the Bible definitely "disciplines" nations, the ungodly and His own. It just reinforces the belief that violence is a good way to solve problems from a person who is bigger than you and a person who professes to love you. And I think this clip goes to a bigger question, that is the character and passion of God. In other words, what is His will, yearning, desire? The way we see that reality pervasively shapes our sense of the way we should live. It's an easy solution to spank your kids, just like war is an easy solution to problems--in the short run. It's conventional wisdom to say follow this way---the right way--and your life will go well, and there is value and truth in conventional wisdom because we need ways of behavior that people can count on rangi... To be Biblical..and that's the thrust of the content of the clip..discipline is part of the way God grows us up. Of course, he loves his children; if He did not, He'd allow us to go our own way where we would feed our sinful natures unchecked. We can't pick and choose which parts of God's character we want to accept/believe. In the story of the prodigal, he was an adult son and he was allowed to sink into his pit and reap the consequences of a foolish decision. And notice that the Father was waiting and the prodigal was 'repentant'. We all are aware of the tyranny that people want to point out when the topic of disciplining children comes up. However, there is a right way to do it and each child is different. If a child is shoving a fork in the electic socket, you a) smack it because the child will pull the hand back from the smack, or b) stand there reasoning with the child. Well, I could use many more examples of the associations of compassions such as The Good Samaritan or the Workers In the Vineyard, and again they would stress that we are to be compassionate about justice for the simple reason that justice is the social form of compassion. That means the end of injustice and violence. And that small seed starts at home and grows. @Tabsey, I always made sure I put the child cap protectors in the sockets when my kids were too little to understand. And I didn't let them play with metal forks. But looking back on it all, I often say that I should have given them a wooden spoon and a box to beat on instead of all those Barbie dolls who immediately got their clothes pulled off and hair cut and marked up with a magic marker. Their college funds would have been much larger if I hadn't bought into capitalism.  There are many ways to discipline and if you believe the Scriptures theVery true. But I would say none of the disciplines that God inflicted in the Bible are appropriate for children(...minors that is-not adults who consider themselves to be children of God.) Certainly not his plague on Egypt's first born. .discipline is part of the way God grows us up. Of course, he loves hisI was under the impression that most Christians believe that God has given us free will. Which seems to imply he will allow us to feed our sinful natures as we wish. If you are a Christian, the Scriptures teach that you are indwelt by the Holy Spirit Who convicts us of our sins, the Word which teaches us His will, and the forgiveness through Christ which restores the broken intimacy with Him that came because of sins. The Bible also tells us in 1Co 6:20 "For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body." We all, indeed, have free will (within His own sovereign will) to live lives of disobedience. However, as the loving Father He will give us over to the consequences of that 'free will' or intervene with His own divine discipline. His example of love and correction is the model for Christian parenting. Thank you jatfla. Although not a believer , I appreciate you taking the time for an explanation. His example of love and correction is the model for Christian parenting.Precisely my point also  Of course as my son did, before the days of socket protectors, he stuck my car keys in a socket--a big burst of blue flame, fortunately he had just the chain they were on, blew it out of his hands, got a mild shock--but he learned that metal car keys and electric sockets do not mix--scared the sh!& out of him and me--threw all the breakers in the house (burned out that socket, it had to be replaced) but it was a teaching moment. He was maybe 14 months old--a difficult lesson learned which he never tried again with anything, until he was older and knew about extension cords. If there were only a way for children to learn about self-discipline in the same way my son learned about car keys and electric sockets! A shock but lesson learned! @Debbyski It just reinforces the belief that violence is a good way to solve problems from a person who is bigger than you and a person who professes to love you.Of course you are correct. Only those that believe in an eye for an eye would differ, giving them an epidemic of child abuse cases. |
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