 thisnamecantbetaken says: It's over... Saddam Hussein has been executed, hung at 10:05 Eastern Time Hmmm...I just noted that they've changed the caption. Notice on the clip it says "Executed" Go to the source and now it says "Execution reported" Is he or isn'r he? One of his lawyers is now confirming that he IS dead and so is his brother. Yeah, he's definitely dead. The networks are all running the specials they prepared when he was captured. It's surreal...people are dancing and cheering in the streets. Some are deleriously happy and others are sad, that now they will never know what happened to their loved ones or where a lot of the mass graves are... It's on every channel. As for the dictator, I suppose what goes around, comes around. No-one can say he didn't have it coming. Yeah, I am against capital punishment on principle, but it's hard to get too excited about this instance. I'm against it too. It's a strange feeling because he was no doubt a cruel, coldhearted murderer...but killing anybody just goes against my grain. I'm definitely NOT going to watch the tapes of it. That's just a little to gory for me.... They're going to have to make those tapes public though, or else there will probably be people who will deny it happened. Yeah that's true, this is such an emotionladen event for so many, they'll want or need to see it for themselves I'm just gonna take their word for it on this one though.. Okay, now what? What do you mean? With his body you mean? Now what with Iraq. His execution doesn't really make things any better. Now he's just another martyr. Yaeh, he himself said he would be a martyr, but does he really have that many who support him personally, I wonder? I really don't think much will change in Iraq. Afterall, how much influence has he had, since he was caught in that hole? Not much. I don't think all the fighting in Iraq has very much to do with him anymore. He was pretty much irrelevant I reckon. Oh yeah, just great ...... an eye for an eye and the whole sad sorry mess usually referred to as humanity ends up blind. Nothing to cheer about here It's so strange writing "was" about him in the past tense. I don't condone the murder either, whether state sponsored or not, it's still murder...and I'm not cheering. I don't really know what to think. The Iraqi people need some justice, but was this really way to give it to them? I'm not so sure. Yeah, I hope no one has any illusions that things in Iraq are going to improve as a result of this. This will leave a lot of unanswered questions for the families about his victims fate and the fact that mankind still sees the need to see the death of their enemies to feel vindicated doesn't paint a pretty of society either. Whether it be theirs OR ours. It's sad and it's not going to change a thing in my opinion. Not a thing. Execution of a murderer is now termed murder. The language continues to devolve. Killing is killing. Only according to sociopathic mode of reasoning I'm referring to Godfrey's comment. I agree! The deliberate killing/murder of anybody requires some sort of detachment from what is actually is that's about to happen. A death. To be able to consciously take another's life what ever the "good reasons" is just not something I would EVER be able to do. Not even i self defense I think... I just couldn't so it. I just don't have the required butcher gene. blah blah blah Reads: couldn't DO it, of course Does anybody have a copy of the execution yet? Maybe there's a bit of a male/female differences too regarding the issue of capital punishment. I mean mostly men are hunters too. There are of course exceptions but females aren't built for the hunt in the same way, I reckon. I can only speak for myself: I'm male have served in the military, fifteen years. Then I volunteered with international aid organizations. Been in several battle situations. Seen a lot of suffering and death. Got a back full o shrapnel. and yet I'm solidly against the death penalty. Also I don't much care for the " men think this way, women think that way mentality. Regardless of gender sometimes one just has to stand up and be counted. The state any state should not have the power to put any of its citizens to death. It is revenge killing pure and simple, I mean if some killer killed a member of my family I would want to kill them more than likely, but that is my personal vengance, the state should not be in the business of taking vengance out for me. Well said ecorstanje. I'm totally with you on that one Socratoad. Maybe I'm just trying to explain it to myself why I just don't understand how killing solves anything and why some find it so easy. The fact that he's already been killed has kind of blindsided me. I didn't think they would be so eager and, well sorry for using the word, but so gleeful about it too. The dancing and the singing like it was New Years eve even. I'm sort of numbed over it. You know Socratoad, how much I'm against killing or abuse or torture or anything of the kind... I do not condone his killing in any way at all... @Socratoad I think you must have misunderstood me at some point, because i have never tried to justify or condone killing, only to understand WHY it happens. Yes I'm well aware of where you stand on these moral issues thisnamecantbetaken. Not to worry. I was just trying to point out the fallacy of trying to neatly pigeonhole anyone according to gender I wasn't trying to do that, only to understand. You can read all my clips and comments everywhere and know that I am NOT afraid to stand up and say when something is wrong, quite the opposite. I have done that here too, so I don't know why you're getting angry with me! It's not ME laughing and cheering or anything of the sort. Just trying to understand the need for people to murder and how they do it so easily. That's all! Need to murder is a psycological question, it comes down to power. It is the ultimiate act of control over someone weather acually killing someone or threatining to kill someone. Some people get pleasure out of killing, sadists like Bush, ted bundy... Oh dear, perhaps it is the lateness of the hour, or the emotional response to the situation, but I want to assure you that I am in no way the slightest bit angry with you.. I'm sorry if it seemed that way I have trouble pulling up weeds even! You know me EK from outside of clipmarks and you KNOW that I would NEVER hurt a fly! I guess I'd better get off this clip now. I'm still not to good at dealing with conflicts when I don't think I deserve them. Talk to ya later EK And you too Socratoad hopefully. Maybe it IS the lateness of the hour and the shock of it all, but I'm probably not in the best of moods to be commenting. I'm just numb over the celebrations I guess. See ya later guys... Reading back, I can see my own comments could have been misunderstood. I'd better stand up and be counted too then, that I'm also against him or anybody else being executed. At any time, anywhere for any reason, even for family vengeance as ekorstanje stated. That's wrong too IMO. It just didn't surprise me that they would be demanding Saddams death in revenge. The Iraqi state (if it makes any sense to call a bunch of tribal sediments - compromising and cooperating with invaders- a "state") showed its stupidity clearly with this execution. Now, no peace in neither Iraq, nor the Middle East is possible. And here comes another stupid comment, as a clear indication of a primitive IQ: US President George W Bush hailed the execution as "an important milestone" on the road to building an Iraqi democracy(BBC) Calling an execution an "important milestone" for democracy... What kind of jerk one needs to be, to make such a comment, when his feet are in "US President" shoes? I think Matt Yglesias has the best reaction. And I agree, Invictus, that is an idiotic comment to make. It is really shocking that one can make a statement so insane with such matter-of-fact ease and lack of embarrassment. ....and this is the statement: sadists like Bush, ted bundy... The man more than deserved to die. Bologna stated above is irrelevant.. but I'm very happy for countless of Iraqis who finally have some closure after so many of their relatives were so needlessly abused, tortured and murdered, many in most dispeakable ways. Iraq has many problems but at least the "butcher of Baghdad" is no longer here - a positive development. @invictus - how was the resolution of problems in the Middle East based on saddam being alive or dead? Now that he's dead - there'll be a mess in Iraq? It was already in that state before his execution... no? Also, based on Iraq's PM's comments and trip to Tehran, it's pretty clear that he isn't blindly towing US line. Ding-Dong, the bastard's dead, the bastard's dead, the bastard's dead, ding dong the wicked bastard's dead! .... But O what mistake it IS. they should NOT have DROPPED Him... they should have HOISTED him...142 times, 3 times a week , for 75 seconds, for a year and kept him for more trials!!! Let the dead bury their dead. Only a pathetic, sick soul can cheer up and chant stupid, childish words in front of "death". I'm so with you on that comment invictus. It's a sad an sorry situation when the death of someone can bring out so many human vultures, just frothing at the mouths for a piece of the action. The whole feeding frenzy of glee is revolting. On TV, Saddam is being ridiculed even now, after the fact he's dead. What does that serve? The man's dead already, he's not gonna care! All that does, could be to possibly enrage the Sunnis even more, escalating their attacks or revenge on the Shia population. Seems to me, people and the media, don't really care to stop and think about the consequences it could have. Just to make it clear, I do not support the Sunnis nor the Shia. I have empathy for the Iraqi people as a whole. There are no sides to be taken in the terrible war except against the occupation forces and the insurgents. Everyones who's an Iraqi is on the losing side, IMO. @thisnamecantbetaken - the insurgens ARE the Iraqis, for the most part and the cheers on the street aren't based on US media, but on countless people who were victims of his rule. If they want to cheer - that's their perogative. Yes, among others the insurgents are also Iraqi's, you're right there. Possibly a bad choice of words on my behalf, but I don't really know what word to use. (?) What I mean, is those that are victimizing the ordinary innocent civilians. Some bad Iraqi's and som of those from neighbouring countries who are in the fight also, so to speak, are the people I'm referring to. But I still don't think the cheers and jeers are helping anyone, even if it coming from the Iraqi's themselves. And I didn't say "US media" just media, as I'm following the whole deal from a lot of different stations and sources including arab ones and so on. Blogs and places like here on clipmarks are also a part of my "o... Oh, I'd better say too, that by "occupation forces" I of course, don't mean the troops themselves. They are, I think, just as much victims of this war. I mean of course the coalition governments....  I think what you meant to say (just following your logic a little) that it is YOU who's responsible for the occupation, because you voted these politicians in (or didn't do enough not to get them elected), then they sent the troops over there and they occupied this territory, wreaking havoc and death, taking their eloquently-speaking leader, with a nice mustache, out of power and hanging him. So this whole war situation was YOUR fault... No, not my fault. I did what could to stop people from voting the madman Bush into the White House, that's for sure. (As you probably already know me well enough to know I would) The blame lies totally and exclusively with the fools who chose to vote for the jerk DESPITE his documented record of stupidity and deceit. So, definitely no skin off my nose on this one, I'm afraid RecordSage. You're gonna have to point the finger elsewhere for someone to blame for that fiasco. *coughrepublicanscough* .  So, let's get this straight, again following your logic - you did whatever you could to stop "the jerk", but since the majority of your fellow citizens are "fools" - they got him elected and the rest is history. But of course that coming from a person who "didn't lose anyone on 9/11" (personally, I lost 3000+ of my fellow citizens) - it's not that surprising.. You have a very strange sense of logic. If you feel better blaming ME personally, then that's okay, I guess, if it makes you fell better. Go for it. <WHAT a weirdo! Shhh TNCBT...he can hear what you're thinking> If you're just trying to start another argument RS, then I won't engage you. That isn't what this is clip is about. Why don't don't you take your misplaced anger elsewhere where someone can be bothered to deal with your nonsense. I can't I'm sorry. Happy New Year! The logic is actually yours. As for "not engaging" - again to use your own comment "not engaging because you don't have what to engage with". That's fine. I have to admit - that little talking to yourself bit was pretty funny... kudos there. To quote the great late gospel of John - "Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see...". Happy New Year to you as well... perhaps the eyes will open a bit in the New Year. But regardless, as John finished - "It doesn't matter much to me"... Oh well, to humour you just one more time, I will[engage. I just don't find immature commenting or lack of intelligent dialog much fun, so therefore I was willing to ignore you, but since you beg me, then let's play. As you state, the logic IS mine. Now, I didn't want to throw the fallacies of your logic into your face once again, only serving to give you that sense of "shucks" yet again, but since you insist, I will. Now, the fallacy of your "logic" lies in, that you're attempting to utilize the "Damned if you do, damned if you don't " approach. Now that's all fine and good, except it clearly reveals, that you yet again, can't have quite thought things through, because the prob... The Illegality of the Iraq War Now just toddle along, you grimy little troll and do something worthwhile for a change; read the article. And here comes another stupid comment, as a clear indication of a primitive IQ:That was exactly what I was thinking. That's some kind of ridicolous stupid! "Yeah man, let's kill some o' da bad guys, that's good for democracy! " That shows one time more that BuSSh doesnt know anything about democracy and how it is saved. And once again I have to say that my compassi... |
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