“'Sir, Sergeant Bryce Lockwood, United States Marine Corps, retired. I am a member of the USS Liberty crew, Sir.'

"Lockwood told of the events of that fateful day, beginning with the six-hour naval and air surveillance of the Liberty by the Israeli navy and air force on the morning of June 8.

"After the air attacks including thousand-pound bombs and napalm, three sixty-ton torpedo boats lined up like a firing squad, pointing their torpedo tubes at the Liberty’s starboard hull.

"Lockwood had been ordered to throw the extremely sensitive cryptological equipment overboard and had just walked beyond the bulwark separating the NSA intelligence unit from the rest of the ship when, he recalled, ...

“'Sir, Sergeant Bryce Lockwood, United States Marine Corps, retired. I am a member of the USS Liberty crew, Sir.'

"Lockwood told of the events of that fateful day, beginning with the six-hour naval and air surveillance of the Liberty by the Israeli navy and air force on the morning of June 8.

"After the air attacks including thousand-pound bombs and napalm, three sixty-ton torpedo boats lined up like a firing squad, pointing their torpedo tubes at the Liberty’s starboard hull.

"Lockwood had been ordered to throw the extremely sensitive cryptological equipment overboard and had just walked beyond the bulwark separating the NSA intelligence unit from the rest of the ship when, he recalled, he sensed a large black object, a tremendous explosion, and sheet of flame. The torpedo had struck dead center in the NSA space.

"The cold, oily water brought Lockwood back to consciousness. Around him were 25 dead colleagues; but he heard moaning.

"Three were still alive; one of Lockwood’s shipmates dragged one up the hatch. Lockwood was able to lift the two others, one-by-one, onto his shoulder and carry them up through the hatch.

"This meant alternatively banging on the hatch for someone to open it and swimming back to fish his shipmate out of the water lest he float out to sea through the 39-foot hole made by the torpedo.

"At that Lockwood stopped speaking. It was enough. Hard, very hard—even after almost 40 years."

He was a linguist assigned to collect communications intelligence from the USS Liberty, which was among the ugliest—and most easily identifiable—ships in the fleet with antennae springing out in all directions.

"According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested."
"Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot's radio report. The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel."

"The pilot's protests also were heard by radio monitors in the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon. Then-U.S....

"According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested."
"Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot's radio report. The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel."

"The pilot's protests also were heard by radio monitors in the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon. Then-U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter has confirmed this. Porter told his story to syndicated columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak and offered to submit to further questioning by authorities. Unfortunately, no one in the U.S. government has any interest in hearing these first-person accounts of Israeli treachery. [Washington Report]"

Quite a lot of info on this one out there.

The above is from http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ussliberty.html

Israel also paid reparations of $6.7 million to the injured survivors and the families of those

and this was exactly the amount of the increase for the Israeli fund the following year.

This logic can explain why ALL American politicians with any serious aspiration for high office must first kiss the Zionist ass. The amount involved is so huge that getting elected in democratic America is impossible without funds from at least one on the big 3 lobbys.

Elected, it is in the politicians interest to give more and more funds to Israel so he/she will get more and more in return. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is an expression we have here to explain this deception,...

Israel also paid reparations of $6.7 million to the injured survivors and the families of those

and this was exactly the amount of the increase for the Israeli fund the following year.

This logic can explain why ALL American politicians with any serious aspiration for high office must first kiss the Zionist ass. The amount involved is so huge that getting elected in democratic America is impossible without funds from at least one on the big 3 lobbys.

Elected, it is in the politicians interest to give more and more funds to Israel so he/she will get more and more in return. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is an expression we have here to explain this deception, although the religious connections may not translate state side.

Yes,the American tax players pay so that Israel can corrupt their politicians. Like paying the Don in the Mafia so he allows you to continue stealing from the unfortunate. Any different?

If China was buying US politicians like this with all its spare dollars, you would go to war. Yet you tolerate it from a country that
1. murdered your naval men on USS Liberty
2. spied on you - Pollard & Co
3. destroyed your international reputation - UN, Arabs, Coalition of the Willing (to never again), ...
4. brought down Clinton - Monica,the spy.
5. cost you how many soldiers' lives - Lebanon, Iraq, and indirectly 9/11
6. cost you so so much money - enough to fix health, education, transport and on and on

There could be no peace in Northern Ireland until Clinton straightened out the UK on its responsibilities. There can be no peace in the Middle East until the US jerks Israel's chain, HARD. Fix the mad dog or continue living in FEAR. MONEY is the key. Turn it OFF or accept responsibility for the beast's actions.

I believe that absolutely but supposing for a moment that they thought they were attacking an Egyptian tramp. Why go to such extraordinary lengths to sink a supposed no consequence Egyptian non-navel ship?

But most importantly, why shoot up the life rafts? The Nazis at there worst never attempted to prevent the shipwrecked having some chance of being rescued. For any normal engagement, the sinking of the ship would be enough. Leaving no survivors is a heinous crime and must have had an important purpose. The survivors knew that if the ship went down they were meant to die too. The miracle was that despite all the damage, that the ship stayed afloat.

Now is it not absolutely RACIST to say ...

I believe that absolutely but supposing for a moment that they thought they were attacking an Egyptian tramp. Why go to such extraordinary lengths to sink a supposed no consequence Egyptian non-navel ship?

But most importantly, why shoot up the life rafts? The Nazis at there worst never attempted to prevent the shipwrecked having some chance of being rescued. For any normal engagement, the sinking of the ship would be enough. Leaving no survivors is a heinous crime and must have had an important purpose. The survivors knew that if the ship went down they were meant to die too. The miracle was that despite all the damage, that the ship stayed afloat.

Now is it not absolutely RACIST to say that as they 'believed' the sailors were Egyptian and not Americans that destroying the life-rafts is somehow acceptable. If they were Egyptian then Israel would be tried for an INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIME. Yet the American government can decide that it's Ok to murder its citizens? Whether the US government chooses to protect its sailors or not, does not make it any less the business of the international community. Instances like this has given Israel the notion that it can breach all or any of the rules of international behaviour as it pleases.

So the attempted sinking of the USS Liberty should be top of the long list of war crimes that Israel should face.

What was the purpose behind this well planned and deliberated attempt to sink USS Liberty? Start WW3? This is the missing piece in this jigsaw of death.

Why did the US navel send a virtually unarmed ship into a potential war zone without armed protection while it had many many warships standing by. Could it be in on the plan for WW3 with the sinking of its ship by Egypt? Cairo was about to be nuked in 'retaliation' when the Liberty eventually made radio contact so nullifying the excuse.

Intelligence analysts agree that they attacked because they feared we might learn something that they did not want the United States to know.
That could have been

1. The planned invasion of the Golan Heights which was set to start a few hours after Liberty's arrival in the area. When Liberty arrived, the invasion was postponed for 24 hours, Liberty was attacked, and the invasion took place the next day. Did they postpone the invasion until Liberty out of the way and unable to report on the war?

2. It is possible that they were afraid that Liberty might learn and report to the United States that Israeli forces were executing up to 1,000 Egyptian Prisoners of War at El Arish at the v...

Intelligence analysts agree that they attacked because they feared we might learn something that they did not want the United States to know.
That could have been

1. The planned invasion of the Golan Heights which was set to start a few hours after Liberty's arrival in the area. When Liberty arrived, the invasion was postponed for 24 hours, Liberty was attacked, and the invasion took place the next day. Did they postpone the invasion until Liberty out of the way and unable to report on the war?

2. It is possible that they were afraid that Liberty might learn and report to the United States that Israeli forces were executing up to 1,000 Egyptian Prisoners of War at El Arish at the very moment that Liberty was just 13 miles off shore.

3. It is also possible that USS Liberty was attacked to prevent the ship from reporting a deliberate massacre of 14 Indian United Nations peacekeepers that took place in Gaza shortly before Israel's attack on USS Liberty.

Above from http://www.ussliberty.org/why.htm


Or you might be right.

This attack was planned, agreed?. These other events you mentioned were probably not, so how do they connect.

Why would the Israeli be concerned anyway?

They were able to block out signal seeking help by the Liberty, so why not signals being received by it if they were concerned about the Liberty picking up signals.

I don't know the answer but sinking the Liberty out of sight doesn't seem to measure up in scale. LBJ and McNamara were in contact at first hand that day. That would be very unusual particularly then and LBJ ordered the attack on Cairo.

You offered no explanation for why the Liberty was there without cover. Have you considered the impossible - a provocation of the USSR after...

This attack was planned, agreed?. These other events you mentioned were probably not, so how do they connect.

Why would the Israeli be concerned anyway?

They were able to block out signal seeking help by the Liberty, so why not signals being received by it if they were concerned about the Liberty picking up signals.

I don't know the answer but sinking the Liberty out of sight doesn't seem to measure up in scale. LBJ and McNamara were in contact at first hand that day. That would be very unusual particularly then and LBJ ordered the attack on Cairo.

You offered no explanation for why the Liberty was there without cover. Have you considered the impossible - a provocation of the USSR after the US bombs Cairo? When all other possibilities....

Good reasoning. LBJ did say something that day to the effect of not embarrassing an ally, which, given by then he knew who was attempting to sink the Liberty, does not make a lot of sense except he would let them away with murder, of his men.

With all the hits it took, the Liberty should have gone down with all hands, well what then. What was meant to have played out if it did? The US to attack who? Start WW3?

Whatever information the Liberty was capable of obtaining, sinking her with all hands does seem to me to be way off to the extreme, even for Israel.

I've had more than 7 Israeli in my home recently. They varied from one who spent one year plus in Prison 4 as a conscientious object...

Good reasoning. LBJ did say something that day to the effect of not embarrassing an ally, which, given by then he knew who was attempting to sink the Liberty, does not make a lot of sense except he would let them away with murder, of his men.

With all the hits it took, the Liberty should have gone down with all hands, well what then. What was meant to have played out if it did? The US to attack who? Start WW3?

Whatever information the Liberty was capable of obtaining, sinking her with all hands does seem to me to be way off to the extreme, even for Israel.

I've had more than 7 Israeli in my home recently. They varied from one who spent one year plus in Prison 4 as a conscientious objector to another 24 year old female who kept saying 'Sir' having completed IDF service. None were supportive of things as they are there now. None of them knew ANYTHING of the USS Liberty incident, yet knew loads about other 'incidents'. I believed them. The mystery of this event hold keys that I cannot fathom.

The following is from
http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/14/36639_.html

- last year, a russian translation of joseph daichman's "history of the mossad" was published in moscow. the author describes the tragedy in 1967 in detail. he admits that it was perfectly clear that the liberty was an american ship and that the attack was committed to deprive the usa "of its eyes and ears," of the opportunity to control the situation. daichman says the attackers had the right to act so. the israelis feared that the liberty would report information about the course of the war: they wanted to keep it a secret that troops had been shifted to syria and the egyptian border wasn[b]...

The following is from
http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/14/36639_.html

- last year, a russian translation of joseph daichman's "history of the mossad" was published in moscow. the author describes the tragedy in 1967 in detail. he admits that it was perfectly clear that the liberty was an american ship and that the attack was committed to deprive the usa "of its eyes and ears," of the opportunity to control the situation. daichman says the attackers had the right to act so. the israelis feared that the liberty would report information about the course of the war: they wanted to keep it a secret that troops had been shifted to syria and the egyptian border wasn't protected at all. the border was quite open for egyptian soldiers to cross. israel knew that american radio signals were intercepted by the soviet union, and the latter would certainly inform egypt of the fact. that is why the liberty was to be sunk to avoid leakage of important information. this is a very cynical version. i even couldn't have thought that i would ever read it.

[b]israel wanted to stop leakage of information and, at the same time, established a precedent for us troops to fight against arabs. if the americans landed, the soviet troops would also have done the same, and a great stir would have started then.[/b]

Stay tuned. More to come I'm sure.

Also from
http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/14/36639_.html

the soviet submarine k-172 under the command of nikolay shashkov armed with missiles and nuclear warheads was at the very same moment in the bay of sidre. the submarine received instructions to surface and deliver a blow against the israeli coast if the americans landed troops on syrian shores. the submarine had eight nuclear missiles on board. however, as we know the israeli coast means the whole sate of israel stretched along the sea. israel would have been completely destroyed if such blows were delivered by the soviet submarine. i wrote about nikolay shashkov; the publication was called "the man wh[b]...

Also from
http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/14/36639_.html

the soviet submarine k-172 under the command of nikolay shashkov armed with missiles and nuclear warheads was at the very same moment in the bay of sidre. the submarine received instructions to surface and deliver a blow against the israeli coast if the americans landed troops on syrian shores. the submarine had eight nuclear missiles on board. however, as we know the israeli coast means the whole sate of israel stretched along the sea. israel would have been completely destroyed if such blows were delivered by the soviet submarine. i wrote about nikolay shashkov; the publication was called "the man who was to destroy israel." the publication produced a strong response from society. i received inquiries from the israeli embassy, and many journalists wanted just to see the man who was to liquidate the israeli state. the k-172 crew had to operate under emergency conditions; the submariners nearly died of high concentration of mercury vapor in its compartments. several people were poisoned with the vapor, suffered from hallucinations and giddiness, and no explanation could be found to it. can you imagine what submariners suffering from hallucinations could have done with nuclear warheads? they were to have been immediately sent to hospitals. however, as the situation in the region was still tense, the soviet navy commander-in-chief asked the submariners if they would be able to stay in the area for several more weeks, and the submariners agreed. even when doctors were sent to the submarine, they failed to find the cause of hallucinations and giddiness. nobody even guessed that was mercury, and people spent two months in the compartments poisoned with mercury vapors.

sergey stefanov
pravda.ru
translated by maria gousseva

The Plot Thickens.