"We must try to put ourselves inside their skin and look at us through their eyes," McNamara warned long after the fact, speaking of "America's enemies" but really just about people--people who live in other countries. People whose countries possess reserves of natural gas (Vietnam) or oil (Iraq) or are situated between energy reserves and deep-sea ports where oil tankers dock (Afghanistan and Pakistan).

Why can't President Obama imagine himself living in a poor village in Pakistan? Why can't he feel the anger and contempt felt by Pakistanis who hear pilotless drone planes buzzing overhead, firing missiles willy-nilly at civilians and guerilla fighters alike, dispatched by a distant enemy too cowardly to put live soldiers and pilots in harm's way?
In fairness to McNamara, it only took two years for him to call to an end of the bombing of North Vietnam. By 1966 he was advising LBJ to start pulling back. But, like a gambler trying to recoup and justify his losses, the president kept

People were always comparing Iraq to Vietnam. I forget — did we win in Vietnam?

Win? WIN? Fuckin' WIN? WTF?
Did we WIN in IRAQ, ya dumbass?
NO!!!!!

Excuse me COT but you totally missed the point of the clip, which is the fact that thousands of people are going to die in violence in Afghanistan (already did and still are in Iraq) and the blood is now on Obama's hands. AND YOU AND I PAY FOR IT!

Whoa Papa, chill. I’m willing to bet his comment was sarcastic. Obama, on the other hand, wasn’t being sarcastic when he said he wanted to bring the troops home. But he hasn't done anything to do it. He has the power to if only he would just grow the pair required to stand up against the Pentagon and other war profiteers. The money that would no longer be sent to finance these dead-end wars could help pull our economy right out of the toilet.

These military types want to talk about saving face to ‘stay the course’? Well, there is no pride when American citizens are begging for food and a place to live while all of our money goes to buy the latest military toys.

Was he? OK but I won't "chill" as long as our fuckhead Prez continues in Dick Cheney's neocon policy in AF-Pak. Change, my old Socialist Hippie ass.