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7-29-2009 3:53 PM
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AtlLiberal says:
I've met people who adamantly support chiropractors. I went to one 15-20 years ago and can't say he did much good. I've become more skeptical over the years. I've become especially skeptical over the ones who dabble in such disproven scams as homeopathy and reflexology. IMO, they all should be required to warn their patients that the placebo effect is alive and well, thank you.
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7-29-2009 5:17 PM
Spiritualmonkey
Lexica walks on my back and gives it a crack for free.
7-29-2009 5:47 PM
jatfla
Fixed my back, messed up my neck. I think it's a mixed bag.
7-29-2009 7:49 PM
Oortcloud
Family members swear by them, even when I explain the placebo effect of thinking something was done - yet they are right back there the following week. Too many investigations reveal it as a quack service.

I admit that there are some situations that messing with the back is helpful, but some of the "cures" they claim are quite ridiculous.
7-30-2009 10:37 AM
mcsmithblack
I've seen chiropractic care work on back and neck problems when the medical profession had decided surgery was the only way to go.
From personal experience (as a chiropractic patient for 40 years), I have had chiropractors tell me that a certain problem I had (concerning back pain) needed to be seen to by a medical practitioner. And they were correct.
Also, personally speaking (as in not my opinion, but my experience), chiropractic can genuinely relieve (as in not a "placebo effect") acid reflux, difficulty with elimination, bursitis, migraine headaches and other conditions. It does not work on everyone, since some of these symptoms have different origins or causes.

Just like in the medica...
7-30-2009 10:53 AM
Spiritualmonkey
Chiropractic came from eastern medical tradition combined with homeopathy.
Actually, no.

Chiropractic was invented by a Canadian-born American, D.D. Palmer in the late 19th C.

Homeopathy was invented by a German, Samuel Hahnemann in the mid 18th C.

Just so as not to confuse them with Ayurveda, Traditional Chinese Medicine, Acupuncture, etc.
7-30-2009 10:58 AM
Oortcloud
Just so I'm clear on what you are saying, you are advocating homeopathy as well?
7-30-2009 11:07 AM
AtlLiberal
@mcsmithblack
Well, it seems that we're bound to disagree on the subject of alternative medicine. My clip seems to have struck a nerve.

Let me point out that certain alternative practices have been shown to be totally without rational basis. The most egregious that you mention is homeopathy. For those not aware of this "treatment", here is a snippet from Wikipedia on the subject:

"Modern homeopaths have proposed that water has a memory
that allows homeopathic preparations to work without any of the
original substance; however, the physics of water are well understood,
and no known mechanism permits such a memory.[17][18] The lack of convincing scientific evidence supporting homeopathy's e...
7-30-2009 11:08 AM
Elfrida
Chiropractic manipulation (particularly of the neck) is known to cause injury, strokes and even death. A few seconds on Google will bring up numerous examples.
7-30-2009 11:26 AM
Spiritualmonkey
While not advocating Homeopathy per se, before dismissing it altogether I'd recommend the book 13 Things That Don't Make Sense: The Most Baffling Scientific Mysteries of Our Time. It's a fascinating read altogether about just how little we understand about how the Universe works.

Homeopathy gets an entire chapter (along with chapters on "are the laws of physics the same all over the universe, or just local" and the like.) Not a conclusive defense, but it does explore how little we actually know about some scientific facts we take for granted.

People toss around the word "Placebo" like it's somethin...
7-30-2009 11:30 AM
Oortcloud
An interesting admission by a chiropractic doctor wondering if he should pursue suing the school for education fraud or if he should write a book warning people of the dangers of chiropractics.
7-30-2009 11:47 AM
djkraz
I can say from personal experience that I think chiropractors do more harm than good.

I started going when I was about 14 years old due to migraines and back pain. My x-rays showed that I had a mild case of scoliosis. The chiropractor I went to was wonderful! He never intentionally cracked anything though it did happen at times. I went to him twice a week for about 1.5 years and then continued with other chiropractors as I moved around the country. The first chiropractor did alleviate my headaches and even my scoliosis however the other chiropractors brought it all back 10 fold. I now suffer from daily migraines and 24/7/365 neck pain. Not a minute goes by where my neck isn't in unbe...
7-30-2009 11:51 AM
AtlLiberal
People toss around the word "Placebo" like it's something getting in
the way of understanding "true healing", instead of it being the body's
own natural healing process.
I'm sure some hold this view but by the same token, not all who make reference to the placebo effect are ignorant of its meaning or implications.
Just because we don't understand something today doesn't mean it doesn't work
True, but it may not "work" in the manner that it's proponents claim. Without legitimate scientific collaboration I'd take the claims of these practitioners of alternative "medicine" with more than a grain of salt.

Science has got a whole lot worked out. Just not nea...
7-30-2009 11:58 AM
JohnWaterman
7-30-2009 12:04 PM
AtlLiberal
Brilliant, John. Thanks for the link and the chuckle.
7-30-2009 12:06 PM
tanyamm
My parents are firm believers in chiropracters, not me
I think they do more harm than good. They start wrenching necks and backs around with no x-rays no nothing. I've got a genetic neck problem with degenerative discs, I'm sure chiropractors hurt more tha they helped.
7-30-2009 12:22 PM
Satchamo
Thanks for the link, John.
7-30-2009 12:34 PM
googleit
let me say this about that. When I was 18 I landed wrong on a diving board and totally screwed my back up. For weeks I was flat on my back and could hardly move. My parents took to to a back specialist and they decided on surgery. My older sister said no and took me to a non force chiropractor (no cracking, no bending, none of that stuff) just a light snapping of her fingers in the areas that were in pain. She told me "on the way home your back is going to hurt twice as bad as it did before, but by the time you get home you should be okay" She was right. I was in tears on the way home but when I got out of the car I could bend over and touch my toes without any pain. I still have problems i...
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