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11-3-2006 6:02 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Opposition to marriage redefinition is not dependent on whether further slips down the slope occur or not. Guarantees that homosexual inclusion would be the slope's end wouldn't result in approval by the majority of those who oppose it.
11-4-2006 9:35 PM
willhelm
If a scientific study does not confirm what common sense tells us...it is wrong..
There is nothing that stops homosexuals from having life long relationships with one another. In fact, it’s
done all the time. No one stops them from doing what they want with their own lives. However, a marriage license goes further
than providing equality or rights ( like your tag). What it does is make society approve of that union, and society does not approve. Homosexual
marriage is not about what homosexuals are being forced by others not
to do, but what society is being forced to by homosexuals-- Accept the unacceptable.
11-5-2006 1:06 PM
kmcolo
If a scientific study does not confirm what common sense tells us...it is wrong..
The purpose of science is to judge the value of "common sense". It was once "common sense" to enslave people too, it was once "common sense" to bleed people with fevers and to burn "witches" at the stake. Thank god "common sense" has been questioned in the past.
11-5-2006 1:37 PM
Godfrey Daniel
Of course one's thinking, and the thinking of others should be in constant review, and, likewise, the "conclusions" of "science" must not be immune from the application of commonsense scrutiny.
11-5-2006 1:46 PM
willhelm
How about this Kmcolo... If a scientific study does not confirm what common sense tells us, where common sense can be applied, it is wrong. Common sense does not apply to your examples. I do not see common sense as changing variable.
11-5-2006 1:56 PM
kmcolo
GD, agreed. willhelm, where to start...
11-5-2006 2:38 PM
willhelm
I understand your confusion. Your the one that applies common sense to unknowable qualities. I was just restating my quote to confirm to your view, because you did not seem to grasp the obvious misapplication of common sense. Common sense tells us when we drop a glass it will shatter. Common sense does not tell us when we drop a glass it will shatter into 256 pieces.
11-5-2006 2:57 PM
Godfrey Daniel
I fully expect JK to interject here with footnoted stats regarding plastic glasses.
11-5-2006 3:21 PM
willhelm
Well, I hope JK will refrain and understand "glass" was a metaphor for society.
11-5-2006 3:45 PM
kmcolo
Common sense says nothing about gay marriage.
11-5-2006 3:47 PM
kmcolo
Common sense used to say that European society was superior, common sense used to say that native peoples were "savages". Scientific studies said otherwise and changed the majority view.
11-5-2006 3:56 PM
willhelm
No kmcolo, ignorance says those things....
common: adj belonginging equally, public, widespread, easy to be had

sense: noun how objects are perceived, immediate, awareness, quality of intellect, soundness of judgement, the fitness of things.
11-5-2006 4:01 PM
willhelm
Common sense says nothing about gay marriage.
now talk about a lack of common sense.... besides we are supposed to be talking about it's effect on society.
11-5-2006 4:08 PM
willhelm
Common sense used to say that European society was superior, common sense used to say that native peoples were "savages".
Kmcolo, I have a very hard time believing you think these things are common sense. I may have misread you in the past.
11-5-2006 4:13 PM
jklugman
It is very clear what kmcolo is saying. What we consider "common sense" is very much a cultural thing, and not inherently correct or right.
11-5-2006 4:18 PM
willhelm
If it varies, it is not common. if it is cultural, it is not sense.
If it is not inherently right or wrong, it is not common sense.
11-5-2006 4:58 PM
willhelm
even though my previous comment stands on it's interchangability... my intent was.

if it is cultural, it is not common, if it varies it is not sense, if it is not inherently right or wrong, it is not common sense.
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