Isn't it pathetic that our reputation have sunk to this level? In case we find ourselves starting to believe all the anti-American sentiment and negativity, we should remember England 's Prime Minister Tony Blair's words during a recent interview. When asked by one of his Parliament members why he believes so much in America, he said: "A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in ... And how many want out." Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you: 1. Jesus Christ 2. The American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom. Hrm, funny, cause Canadian military, British military, etc died for us too.. Canadians were right there on the beaches the same as the US, we had just about every capable male of age on those beaches... in fact we entered the war 2 full years before the US did... we entered when it stated, not just after we were attacked. Oh yes, we all know "the US won the 2nd world war!".. Nobody is doubting the US played a MAJOR role in winning the war, but they weren't the only ones... I'd like to point out that not just British felt the US was making the world a more dangerous place, so did we (Canada @ 60+% of people surveyed) and Mexico, etc... Highest poll numbers Bush has had for a while. I used Britain as an example because him PM isnt scared to speak the truth is all Cat....and the American GI fights to keep the US free just as the Canadian Soldiers fight for their Country, I'm not tying to dispute that....whats your point? usmc, while that may be what he said, this was a public opinion poll not a Tony Blair poll. And it is pretty indicative of current feeling here. And thats find....just pointing out the opinion of the higher authorities in Britain. ... higher authorities in Britain.Implying that the opinion of the 'proles' doesn't count? I was actually trying to make a point on your bit about" Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:This came out of no-where and I wasn't sure of the point, So i decided to remind all those who are wondering about anti-American sentiment that not only did American GI's die for your freedom, but so did hundreds of thousands of other soldiers from other countries around the world. As for Jesus, well, I don't know.. I wasn't there, and the news coverage isn't really reliable..there's only one real known & "trusted" source  (sorry, I know, the Jesus bit was a hit below the belt...) well then I apologize your correct other frces have fought for freedoms as well. There is a reason we left England in the first place. I just wish all those over here that think it is such a paradise over there would just go. It would make both those who go and those who stay happier. This came out of no-where and I wasn't sure of the pointbut it had a point, despite what this article says it is apparent that the British obviously support us still, makes me think this poll is a bit setup. The British Government still support the US, the British people according to a number of polls do not. But then again, the Government in any democracy is the voice and will of the people. So It's confusing, who does one believe, the people in the streets & the (likely sensationalist, biased) news media, or the government? My money is on the people on the street & the polls, just because I know a fair number of Brits, all of whom are very against the war. I also know how the majority of Canadians feel about it (again according to word of mouth & news articles)... I'm not sure what the right ting to do is with the Iraq war... Iraq *seems* lost. Sectarian violence is on the increase (for... Shock news ! Goverments lie to their people. They also lie to the rest of the world. ucmc6531, this is a common thing nowadays. GI's and other soldiers die because thier goverments send them to do thier bidding for the sake of National Interests, not because they are interested in giving freedom to anyone. People are anti american now adays because the american goverment is anti-world and greedy only for its national interests. So not surprising for the world to hate it. People want to go into america or uk because they are rich countries. They got their richness by steeling from the rest of the world. They are thieves, and they lie to you. Sorry if you dont like what i say. The truth sometimes can be very hard to digest. People are anti american now adays because the american goverment is anti-world and greedy only for its national interests. So not surprising for the world to hate it.funny considering how many countries we send support to every year....guess we can just suck back in all our support money given to every country every year right? sicne were so GREEDY and all You mean the US is a charity???? I dont think so. This support money is support for dictators and military coups that happen and aid american interests. One example is egypts president mubarak. In return for being america's puppet, the US sends egypt some rice and other such things. Even though they can grow more rice locally for example, but america wants the country to be dependant on it, so that it can never be free again. And then the US government can say that america gives aid to the world. This way it makes the countries it controls dependant on it, AND it fools its own people thinking that their country is a very kind and generous nation. Two birds with one stone. These western go... But thanks God, despite their excellence at deception people have begun to see through it. Amazing, but true. The poles here are testimony to this i believe. DOWN with EVIL ! Amen Ali, You miss a few points there. It's cheap for Egypt to import rather than grow locally (This statistic comes from India's Kamal Nath, who recently advocated Global Free Trade) And I don't think country's send soldiers "to do their bidding". No one's forcing them (at least in some nations). They all love their nation and are willing to fight for it. Hi Sohil, can you give me links or any evidence for what you say in point one? I'll try to give you evidence for my view. For the second point soldiers are forced to do what they are told. Else they are charged and improsoned. People in general are not willing to DIE for thier nations. Why? Because they want to enjoy their first and only life. After death they believe there is nothing. Dieing doesnt help. This is why you will find that those who talk about patriotism and loving your nation , and here i mean the politicians, do not send their children to war. Did you see fahrenheit 911 film how the producer approached politicians and asked why their sons arent in the army. As soon as I find it. Kamal Nath talked about this in UN saying that nations "like Egypt are forced to Import as it is cheaper while neglecting their own farmers" I know politicians don't send their sons etc, but the people in the army have joined voluntarily. They know they'll die, they know they'll be tortured by the enemy. But why did they join, Love for their nation. I could find this http://www.organicconsumers.org/politics/WTO022706.cfm It's from the same time period, but it doesn't address Egypt specifically. I have to say i agree with the original post, but the thread is getting a bit heated.......... I was just wondering who trained the most feared man in Britain ?? Sohil, you need to look deeper at things. If you watched the fahrenheit film you will have noticed that the army targets the poor areas where there is high unemployment and so the people there are forced to join effectively. They lie to them about being able to travel and have fun etc. They certainly dont do it because they choose to die for their country or because of love for their country. I advise you to see the film if you havent seen it before. Its worth it. Regarding the Aid that US gives to egypt and other middle eastern countries it supports. This is aid given to dictatorships that are setup by america and supported by america. Without this aid the dictatorships may not easily survive. If america was a good country it would deny aid to dictatorships rather than present it. It would give aid to democratically elected governments like in palestine where Hamas was democratically elected. Whereas we find the US not only denies it aid, but actively works to remove Hamas and replace with its ally that didnt get elected. So the word 'Aid' actually means support for evil dictatorships setup and supporting america. They call it aid becasue they can... bilbo, there is no heat. Its just debate. If you find something that sounds wrong in my comments please point them out, and i will thankyou for it. regards, ali Ali i don't know why you thought my comment was aimed at you? I agree with alot of your comments. Esp Hamas, like them or hate them, they are a democratically elected government, so until the majority who voted for them no longer want them no-one has a right to remove them. Unfortunately that has never seemed to stop people in the past (Pinochet leaps to mind), Sorry if i misunderstood biblo. regards, ali You are right about the Aid part Ali. But US does it for survival. It needs to maintain these dictatorships to survive. Yes the Army does target slums. But again no one is forcing them . I haven't watched Fahrenheit 9-11, but Ok I will. Haha bilbo, nice name. Like Baggins ? The US can survive without spreading evil and unjustice on the world. Other countries, poorer than it manage to do so, eg sweden, austria etc. They dont go invading other countries, they just work hard and survive. The US acts as an aggresive evil element that aims to grow in power and control all of humanity. It has an ego problem. Regarding the army recruits, its true they arent literarly forced, but there is little else they can do in the areas they live in. So effectively have very little option to do much else. So the army recruiters trick them and deceive them. See the film for evidence of this. They have special ways to target them, they approach on an individual basis and have a certain type of speech they present to them etc. In case anyone is wondering about country loyalty- Try to take my land or invade my home and see what happens. Apply this to Iraq and Afghanistan and you can see why the US is having a hard time People dont like being invaded, no matter what reason the invader comes up with. "Oh i am only here to help you, honest" Ali, US is a Superpower. China and India will do the same things when they take the stage. India already maintains an air force base in Tajikistan. Both nations send "aid" to Africa. This isn't a US specific issue. US has more to maintain. It's protecting it's status as a Superpower that's it. It's producing "counter-weights" to potential enemies. Yeh man, its called survival of the fittest, mentality. The more evil you are the better your chances. It is sad that you justify it. In my view if you are a superpower you should use your power to do good to humanity not to harm humanity more in order to safeguard yourself. Completely incorrect thinking. By thinking like that you justify the killling and slaughetering of innocents. Very sick way of thinking. Ali, I'm not justifying it. I'm just saying in International Politics, there's no place for ethics. Like you said Survival of the Fittest. I condemn this behaviour personally, just so you know. If you look at the Cold War time period, this was highly common then too. I see, sorry i misunderstood Sohil. Please accept my apologies. You are right, when religion is removed from life, especially politics , what happens is that materialism takes over. And this means law of the jungle and survival of the fittest, as well the lies and deceit that come with it. Those who think that religion should be separate from politics dont really know what they are talking about, in my opinion. Best regards ali I'm not sure I understand you there Ali. Are you suggesting Religion should have a deciding role in Politics ? In nations especially like US and India, this in my opinion would create huge issues. If Religion does play a role in politics, I see tyranny straight ahead. Here we need to define what religion means. If we define it that it is were the rule of the Creator applies on earth then how can there be anything better than this. Since the Creator knows All His creatures and knows what is right and wrong for each. So the guidance from Him would be the best guidance that there can be. I think what the problem is today is that many people have their versions of what the Creator's laws are and will not entertain to debate the issue of where the Latest versions of these laws are. As a result you get people who end up using relgion for their own ends ie to get in power, rather than using relgion to serve good globally. In Islam the call is to open the deba... |
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