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3-17-2008 7:30 PM
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3-17-2008 8:59 PM
yemangybastards
Someone's obviously never been to Canada. Or the Netherlands, New Zealand, Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland or, really, any of the countries that are easily freer than the US is.
3-17-2008 9:27 PM
willhelm
That is funny. Yes... Liberty is really on the march in those places. What a nut job.

I guess the world slipped through a worm-hole 230 years ago and we just came out the other side with this wonderful living standard, wealth, economic liberty, scientific and medical advancement, lifestyle liberty, and religious liberty after 10,000 years of relative darkness.

Yes, Thank-you Canada and New Zealand...
How ignorant!
3-17-2008 9:43 PM
boniface
Yeah, and we'll water-board anyone who says otherwise. Right?
3-17-2008 10:06 PM
willhelm
Or we could just impale them on wooden spears, burn them at the stake, tie a rope around their neck and throw them into a lake, purge them, throw them into extermination ovens, fly planes into their buildings, attack elementary schools and kill their children, make them drink hemlock, nail them to crosses, force them into labor camps, perform eugenic experiments on them, tell them it is Israel's fault they are so ignorant, slice their throats, or god forbid block Google access, on and on and on...
3-18-2008 12:04 AM
Eaglewings
This article was very well written. Of course it is longer than most posts on the internet and therefore most common folk will not take the time to read the whole article. I found the arguments brought forth in this article to be well researched and very well articulated. Coming from an immigrant to this great country the writer of the article eloquently wrote about all that he has seen since coming to America.

Now that being said. Those who espouse an anti-American sentiment I have to ask just one simple question. If America is so god awful why the heck do all these people keep crashing our borders to get here, risking life and health in the process? At the same time there is an ever inc...
3-18-2008 1:58 AM
yemangybastards
...Because as a whole, yes, this is better place to reside then, say, Mexico, but to declare the United States the greatest or freest nation in the world is a gross overstatement, if not an outright lie. I've watched my government deteriorate and grow increasingly more insidious, invasive and vastly less democratic in recent years and it terrifies me, as well as it should you. My pointing these things out is not a display of anti-patriotism. Blindly accepting the perversion and reformatting of the very standards that made this country an idyll is anti-patriotism. When someone you love is fucking up their lives with drugs or abhorrent behavior, you don't stand blithely by and commend them; yo...
3-18-2008 4:55 AM
abailart
Chomsky describes the USA as 'unusually free', which at the level of freedom discussed by the clip is undoubtedly true. Within the context of relatively advanced democratic freedoms and basic material security, which are both uncontroversial givens for the majority of citizens (although, of course, the elementary sign of a healthy democracy is its attention to broadening such securities for all citizens), one can turn to what the individuals do with their freedom: their beliefs and values and actions, that is to the responsibility of moral choice which must follow material security.
3-18-2008 10:30 AM
willhelm
I've watched my government deteriorate and grow increasingly more
insidious, invasive and vastly less democratic in recent years and it
terrifies me,
Franky, you apparently do not have the context to make that judgement as it applies to the objective history. Yours is the lie. The progressive movements of Woodrow Wilson and FDR were far more invasive to liberty.

My pointing these things out is not a display of anti-patriotism.
Of course it is not. I point things out as well. You should see my clips. They are not all pie and fluffy bunnies. It just helps to have some understanding of history, various movements, the actual meaning of fascism, liberty, equality, a...
3-18-2008 10:50 AM
willhelm
Abailart, No one can make a Heaven on Earth, though we could easily make a Hell. I contend that material security for all can only be secured at the expense of Liberty not the advancement of it. In fact it is this wave of compulsion to the State for the sake of equality that is wilting the flower of liberty.

I contend that the synergy of liberty and equality is what makes America great, not placing one higher than the other.
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