 n2sooners says: I don't know if I would classify the Obama remark as racist or not. It was definitely playing the race card, but I don't know if that qualifies as racist. Racist would be more anti-white (or another race) like referring to a racist white person as "typical white person." Something else I find interesting. 22% is how many think the McCain ad was racist, and also how many thing most Americans are racist. Good point n2sooners It was racialist, not racist. Still, for someone who claims to be a uniter, it is revelatory. He will use the progressive tactics when he feels he needs to. Problem is, it was the McCain campaign that brought the whole dollar bill gambit first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPARec32KMI http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Obama_explains_dollar_bill_line.html?showall http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/2008/08/dollar-bill-mcc.html Racist would be more anti-white (or another race) like referring to a racist white person as "typical white person."It does not get any more racist than to have your religion based in racism. Black Lib Theology. Problem is, it was the McCain campaign that brought the whole dollar bill gambit first:Can you not tell the difference? I'd like to think you really aren't that dimwitted and are just pretending in order to prop up your candidates mistakes. Did you watch the commercial? Because if you did, you realized that Obama is simply responding to that ad by correctly pointing out that some people fear that his winning would certainly change the face of politics in more ways than one. Why use the iconography unless a) they want to compare him to some kind of self-idolizing figure like Ceasar, Stalin or Mao or b) by asking "is this the face you want to see -insert- here?" And again, who brought the image first, Obama or McCain? No the McCain campaign is counting on people been so dimwitted they won't notice what their peddling. That somehow Obama doesn't measure up to all those revered figures, even though neither does McCain for that ma... You are saying a whole lot of nothing. This isn't about the dollar bill, this is about bringing race into the election. The McCain commercial was obviously (to those not intentionally trying to be dense) is poking fun at change when Obama made the bone headed move of trying to redesign the presidential seal. It had absolutely nothing to do with race. Obama's remark had everything to do with race and his campaign has already admitted it. McCain didn't play the race card, Obama did. McCain doesn't look like the people on the bills either. He doesn't wear a wig... Nice discussion going on here. Race ought not to be such an issue, and it's a sad reflection of how sad (& sick) we find our society. Remember slavery? It may not be as catchy as the Texan's Alamo, but it's in our history. But really 69% find Obama to be a celebrity and 53% found it racist that he remarked on the fact that no he cannot change (his race as to look more familiar to) past presidents imagery in America culture. It seems so absurd to me. Thanks for the youTube link Ratilfar. Race ought not to be such an issue, and it's a sad reflection of how sad (& sick) we find our society.Race is an issue for racists, racialists, and opportunists. The rest of us, black, white, or whatever have moved on with our lives. When you cheer for apologies by those not responsible made to those not harmed directly, then you are more likely the racist. Dense you say? Only if you want to be superficial about these things. There is a lot of subtext here, but I'll let an expert talk about these things: http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/D2619589-12BB-4D87-9211-090C0A246089/ Obama is simply admitting what is already there. Think about for a second, why is the seal thing such a big deal for the McCain camp? In fact if you look at the bulk of commercials, even attack ones, they rarely focus so much on the candidates face or features. This is advertising, everything about it is deliberate. I'll top your expert with the belief of the American people. The American people don't think McCain is the one playing the race card here, they think it is Obama. I don't know if you are shilling for your chosen candidate, or if you really believe what you are trying to sell, but the American people aren't buying it. When you cheer for apologies by those not responsible made to those not harmed directly, then you are more likely the racist.Such an absurd statement! What a bizarre logical jump you made there, Willhelm. Using similar logic, would it not be true to say, "When the heiress of those that most benighted from slavery deny retribution to the descendants of those harmed, then those heiress are more than likely racist" Now I hope you don't think me a racist, nor am I cheering for any apologies, just acknowledgment. And N2, is it not the wrongly placed faith of our American people that has resulted in this endless war? Besides, the American people aren't buying much these days... Such an absurd statement! What a bizarre logical jump you made there, Willhelm.  How do you know N2, what the American people, the whole 300million+ Americans think? You can't only speak for yourself. Watch the video and then gives us your opinion, ok? And one last thing, talking about the reality of race in America and its implication is not racist, regardless of what some people would have you believe. There are a lot of people, some here in clipmarks, that have gone out of their way to "other" Obama in multiple ways. How do you know N2, what the American people, the whole 300million+ Americans think?Have you even bothered to read the clip you are replying to? Look, just go sell your race baiting BS elsewhere. No one here is buying it. How am I race baiting anyone? All I see above is the effects of "colorblindness" which doesn't help anyone dealing with the underlying realities of race and ethnicity. Of course they might be giving McCain the benefit of the doubt, but then again.... There were also significant partisan divides. Democrats were evenly divided as to whether the McCain commercial was racist, and they were also evenly divided on the Obama comment. Republicans, by an 87% to 4% margin, rejected the notion that the McCain campaign ad was racist. But, by a 67% to 26% margin, GOP voters believe that Obama’s comment was racist.From the clipped article. Colorblindness is what MLK used to preach. Fact is, Obama supporters call each and every negative mention of Obama as racist. It is racist to show a black man in the same commercial as a white woman. It is racist to put the face of a black man on a dollar bill. It is racist to simply show the face of said black man period. Who are the real racists here? Also from the ad: Unaffiliated voters, by a five-to-one margin, said the McCain ad was not racist. By a much narrower 50% to 38% margin, unaffiliateds viewed Obama’s comment as racist.Those without a horse in the race said the Obama remark was racist but the McCain commercial wasn't. Only democrats believe otherwise, and even they are torn. Thanks, teajay, I agree. It was logical. Good to know there are a few who troll the comments at clipmarks and claim to have a grasp of logic. I doubt you are one, but thanks for pretending. Willhelm, sorry if you feel threatened by the fact that I may try to counter-balance some of your ____ remarks, but as I read them I cannot sit idly by without interjecting. And apparently, you failed to pickup on my irony in your [flawed] logic. those that most [benefited] from slavery deny retribution to the descendants of those harmed[I had to correct my failed attempt at using the FF dictionary.] As for my own logic, please correct me, but don't go about attacking me. Because my grasp of logic is quite sufficient to attain a Computer Engineering degree from Virgina Tech, and to see through your BS. What education background do you offer? Regent University? Teajay, I am sorry you are so threatened by my superior intellect that you feel compelled to reassure me about yours. That is quite petty. You should be embarrassed. You call an argument of mine "bizarre logic" and fail to see that it suggests you are profoundly uneducated ? Maybe it just did not take. So, is it my reasoning that is bizarre, or my logic? By your reasoning, I should lay claim to those who enslaved the slavs. But then, I am no racist and do not seek modern day division based in the past, however recklessly they may be used today for power, which you seem to be OK with. Willhelm, you have got issues. How you find so much time and energy to be so scornful is a sad reflection of your party's preferences and you. Honestly, I don't know you, but I (at least try to) extend to you some respect, yet you're a jerk. In no way am I threatened, nor convinced you are superior to myself, much less any other Clipeprs. You are intelligent and you do bring up good points for discussion. You challenge me to speak out. You know what you're talking about, even if it doesn't convince me the same. But, dude, chill the f' out with the hostilities. The ironic part is, more times than not whenever trolling is brought up in conversation's it you--calling wolf! As for the topic, this conversation got me riled up enough to go Clipping and let others use logical thinking to judge the validity of Willhelm reasoning. Distinction between Logic & Reasoning If, then predicate logic See what happens when you internalize sarcasm? It is an affront to your being. So much that you have to psycho-analyze by way of a monitor and keyboard in order to maintain your self confidence. Good for you. I'm sure it can be therapeutic. Interesting link, teajay. I suppose one can find all sorts of garbage 'out there". Especially on sites as oxy-moronic as "evolutionary...ethics". Hohoho! I love it! So the McCain campaign puts an ad together that features a black man and two white girls famous for sex, and says it's just about celebrity. Why use Paris and Britney if this is not about reviving the black man/white girl sexual fears common in our culture 40 years ago? Why not, say, use Adam Sandler? Just an accident, is it, that they included that Paris Hilton, arguably the woman seen nude by more men in all the world, who first burst upon the world in a blowjob video? LOL! So here's a black man with two women known for sexiness - reviving what is arguably the most creepy racial stereotype of the 20th century in the eyes of many Americans. How many dozens of black... Oops, should read "that they included Paris Hilton" not "that they included that Paris Hilton" - a "that" left over from an edit. Sorry! What do you expect from a man that offers up his trophy wife to parade naked in front of some bikers? http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/F212C426-A2FF-4643-AFD1-F2F4A14FBC68/ Culture War? FAIL! Masbury, It's all part of their subliminal trickery. They're surreptitious use of imagery is aimed at conjuring up irrational fears. So, is the linking of Obama to Paris Hilton always racist, or racist only when a republican makes the link? It racist. When Bill Clinton, the "first black president" has to defend himself and say that he is not racist when he dares comment on Obama, then every reference to Obama must be racist. Why would it matter which party the comment or reference comes from? Why would it matter which party the comment or reference comes from?Well, I was just wondering since there was no public outcry of racism when Obama made that same comparison himself back in 2005. |
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