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5-8-2009 10:19 AM
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AtlLiberal says:
Aw shucks! James Dobson's disappointed. Just breaks my heart.

After 8 years of a quasi-theocracy (mostly a smoke screen to appease the nutso base) we finally have a president how actually believes in getting things done instead of wasting time in meaningless demonstrations of religiosity.
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5-8-2009 10:20 AM
Oortcloud
That right there probably confuses many.
5-8-2009 11:06 AM
BartendingBear
Pop for AL's comment.
5-9-2009 2:04 PM
jay8h
I bet the forefathers of this country would have been real proud of him to. They were Godly men. Too bad we have "advanced" so in our society that we no longer need God.
5-9-2009 2:12 PM
AtlLiberal
@jay8h
I suspect you're being ironic in your comment. As far as the general phrase that "They were Godly men" I think maybe that is so broad to mean very little. Which "forefathers" are you referring to? What do you mean by "Godly men"? Without being specific you're simply implying a general feeling that you somehow don't agree. What, specifically don't you agree about? And why?
5-10-2009 10:37 AM
Oortcloud
They were also slave trading men ...
5-10-2009 11:00 AM
AtlLiberal
They were also slave trading men ...
This is true and viewed through the lens of today it is also unacceptable but I generally would choose to not use this as a rationale to imply too much about their ethics. We have advanced as a society beyond treating fellow humans as property and that is how it should be. It was a shameful and abominable practice that has no defense. To be intellectually honest we must get past judging the actions of people then by the ethics, philosophy, and morality of today. Yes, we have advanced. And that is the positive thing.
5-10-2009 11:12 AM
Oortcloud
If we were being intellectually honest then religion wouldn't even be an issue. One day we will look back at these "godly men" and more than just the enlightened few will recognize them for the superstitious lot they were.

Not to mention the intellectual dishonesty and in saying that "America was built as a christian nation".

I was not attacking their ethic, only pointing out that a wide and sweeping attitude - slavery - changed with the evolution of our society and that those who point to the past with the "its'how grandpa used to do it" attitude are using a pretty weak argument.
5-10-2009 11:35 AM
AtlLiberal
You're right and perhaps I did protest too much. Having read much of your thoughts over the time I've been clipping , I debated whether or not to even bring this topic up. I think the only reason I did bring it up was because I recently had a discussion about Darwin and Darwin's views on race were brought up in a mean spirited way in an attempt to discredit his views on evolution. Of course this was a straw man argument but it was, for some reason, on my mind.

Sorry if I implied the same attribute to your comment. I didn't intend it to be taken that way but I didn't do a very good job at it. Your reply answers that.
5-10-2009 11:59 AM
Oortcloud
No apologies necessary! I left a pretty broad first comment that could have been interpreted in any number of ways. I thank you for making sure I clarified it.

Ironically this topic popped up in our local paper comments and one of the readers pointed out some pretty valid points :

The White House notes that presidents previous to Bush, including Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, were not in the habit of holding White House events for the National Day of Prayer. National Day of Prayer Task Force Vice Chairman Brian Toon recently acknowledged that there weren't regular White House events to mark the day until the Bush years, telling the Religion News Service: 'There was no East Ro...
5-10-2009 1:20 PM
AtlLiberal
Exactly. The comments you passed along show just how short the public's memory is. The entire implosion of the "loyal opposition" has had its amusing moments but now they appear so disjointed and contrarian that it goes beyond mere cussedness to absurdity.

At least they do have a certain internal consistency. It seems that their blatant disregard for facts in favor of fiction and the repetition of this fiction has been the mainstay of the republicans for years now. The sad part is that in the past it seemed to work. Hopefully we're at the cusp of a change.

From one of your links:
Shirley Dobson said today, "We are disappointed in the lack of
participation by the Obama Administratio...
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