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9-7-2008 4:47 AM
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abailart says:
But of course, 'liberalism' is a mental illness.
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9-7-2008 10:16 AM
dmegivern
One of the ways they test for a intolerance of ambiguity is by showing people a picture that looks like it could be a dog OR a cat. The level of frustration people have in response to the uncertainty of the picture is an excellent measure of how conservative they are. More frustration, more conservative. If you are curious, look up authoritarianism, ambiguity, and anxiety in Google Scholar. That should bring some interesting articles for folks.
9-7-2008 12:34 PM
abailart
Yes, authoritarianism is a key concept: investing desire in a (phantasised) idol or icon alpha figure can defend against anxiety and ambiguity, and if one is part of a tribe who have chosen the same leader it can achieve the need for belonging. This, though, is to do with a conservative mindset that is common to all political allegiances.
9-7-2008 12:44 PM
willhelm
So, conservatives, who are more libertarian, are the authoritarians and progressives, who are more fascistic and unity-minded under central authority are not?
9-7-2008 1:07 PM
willhelm
A meta-analysis culled from 88
samples in 12 countries, and with an N of 22,818, revealed that
“several psychological variables predicted political conservatism.” Which variables exactly? In order of predictive power:

Death
anxiety - What? Are you kidding? Most of the Right has ZERO death anxiety, while the left are obsessive about technological life-extension with little care given to quality.

system instability, dogmatism/intolerance of ambiguity, low tolerance of uncertainty, high needs for order,
structure, and closure - This is why the Left wants to place unity, highly specific and ordered government programs, and government control to address every issue of life, while the Right ...
9-7-2008 1:20 PM
abailart
I should have emphasised my final remark above. (This implies to some extent that the liberal-right polarisation is part itself of a pre-political mindset). In other words, the research is skewed ideologically in its interpretation, and naive scientifically in its conceptual basis.
9-10-2008 6:13 AM
RecordSage
@abailart, if the assertion in the clip can be made, and clearly done so by a liberal - two things become clear: 1) the person making the assertion has no clue about conservatives, since it's completely off as willhelm astutely pointed out and he should know, since he is one and 2) considering the above - your first comment becomes a fact, because only a mental illness can (does) explain anyone making such assertions.

Luckily - there's a simple solution. If one wants to make comments about conservatism - one simply needs to become one, then actually have some real understanding and make comments on the subject. Of course the side-effect of that would be that this kind of comment wouldn't ...
9-11-2008 4:01 PM
dmegivern
There is substantial, reliable evidence on the psychology of both liberalism and conservatism. My senior thesis found interesting results on this front. I gave 60 research subjects a political test. Then I asked them to take a moral development test by James Rest (the DIT). Next, I asked the students to take the moral development test as though they were someone from the opposite political persuasion. Guess what happened? The liberals scored higher than conservatives on the moral development test the FIRST time they took it (as themselves). The liberals lowered their score the second time they took it when they were supposed to be thinking like a conservative. Now, not only did the conservat...
9-11-2008 5:58 PM
abailart
Whew! Well I can't begin to be precise. Clearly I would need access to your paper, design and own interpretations etc. I assume the studies you did were replications of many similar DIT scenarios, or at least in the same family. That broader context has, as you will know, been subject to ongoing argument and debate but I'm no social scientist so don't really have more than a rough knowledge of these. My own views (above) centre around the methodology of the paper clipped, the extremely narrow conceptualisation of ideology, and the generalised reduction of moral being to dimensions characterised by on the one hand content-free cognition (the ghost of disembodied 'reason'), and on the other h...
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