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11-13-2006 12:51 AM
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enbar says:
Lincoln Chafee recalls Cheney's offhanded dismissal of bipartisan tactics after the 2000 election and deplores the viciousness of partisan politics since 1994. He's right; it wasn't always this way. Kind of sorry to see him go.
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11-13-2006 8:22 AM
egoldstein
Sorry to see him go as well, but the truth is that he should have spoken out against this back then if he thought it was wrong. Still respect that he's doing so now.
11-13-2006 8:43 AM
robataka
Agree with you egoldstein, except I read it as sour grapes.
11-13-2006 2:09 PM
enbar
To be fair, he's been one of the more vocal of the moderate Republicans.
11-13-2006 11:03 PM
willhelm
To be fair?? He was part of the problem and one of the main reasons Conservatives turned their backs on the Republican Party. Quite frankly, he's part of the problem with politics in general. The centrist that has no soul is a threat worse than the most partisan liberal or conservative.
11-13-2006 11:09 PM
enbar
The centrist that has no soul is a threat worse than the most partisan liberal or conservative.
My impression was that Chafee had a mind of his own, didn't always toe the party line, and was willing to work with those with whom he had ideological differences. I suppose you could characterize this as soullessness, but that's not the first word that comes to my mind. Describing him as "part of the problem with politics in general" kind of ignores the fact that effective politics is actually impossible without negotiation and compromise. If you see this as evidence of weakness of character, failure of nerve, or insufficiency of ideological commitment or passion, th...
11-14-2006 7:29 PM
willhelm
Enbar, this article itself makes my point. Chafee has been beside himself. It's the politics of weasles. McCain plays this game too.
11-14-2006 7:34 PM
willhelm
My impression was that Chafee had a mind of his own,
That is moronic and really unlike you. He obviously thought he knew what he had to do to keep his seat. He was wrong.
Now a mind of his own? Would you say the same thing about Rick Santorum? Being a conservative Democrat like Lieberman, does not mean you have a mind of your own. It's just a unique niche. Says a lot that you think the more a Republican agrees with you, the more he has a mind of his own. As if they all do not have mind of their own.
11-14-2006 11:43 PM
enbar
Moronic? Man, you're in fine form tonight. I was referring to the fact that Chafee was willing to differ publicly from the authorities who ran his party. The Republicans, since 1994, have been famous for enforcing party discipline, and Chafee didn't always play along. To me it shows a certain independence. Not soullessness. Add to that the fact that, also unlike the Republicans since the Gingrich revolution, he seemed less partisan than a lot of his colleagues. "Mind of one's own" is an idiom which I was using to mean "doesn't always go along with the crowd." Rick Santorum? Sure, he's got a mind of his own, too. So what? My point is that unquestioning ideological fervor doesn't always equal "soulfulness".
11-15-2006 9:23 PM
willhelm
Well we have different views on Chafee for sure. It is clear to me from his sobbing, he was less than genuine in his moderation. His surprise leads me to believe he thought he was anything BUT independent. Regarding my use of the word moronic... don't be overly sensative. I don't believe in political correctness or moderating an effective tone. Feel free to call me moronic anytime you feel justified. Which is perhaps every time you respond to one of my comments. No hard feelings.
11-15-2006 9:33 PM
enbar
I don't believe in political correctness or moderating an effective tone.
What about polite, decent manners? Oh well, I didn't take it personally anyhow. I was just bugging you in return. You might be right about Chafee. I'm no expert.
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