 papananook says: How stupid is this? This is moronic. is every war veteran required to support all past, present and future wars? Because they were soldiers are they not permitted to seek peace? Idiots!  Idiots are those that want to turn something in commemoration of those lost into a political spectacle. And according to the article - as long as they were within the boundaries stated - nobody would deny them access. They want to use this parade, which has nothing to do with promoting or demoting war (and shouldn't have anything to do with it) to remember people who gave up their lives in the various wars, from the Revolutionary War through War on Terror. There's shouldn't be anything but that sentiment in that parade. I'm sure if they wanted to march on Washington in an anti-war rally - they'd be given permission without any problems... as there have been many times before. Yeah, recordsage, that's the lock-step view alright. I'd like to see you call these people who know better than you about sacrifice idiots to their faces sometime. I doubt you could. I wouldn't. The remark was meant for people like you, who think that nothing is sacred, as long as your ideology is pushed through. You're the one that called people who are trying to put together an event honoring the fallen in various wars - idiots. And for what? Because they don't want to inject politics? I sure the hell would never lock-step with this kind of idiocy. You're probably the kind that would attend a military funeral with your favorite anti-war signs. Remembering those brave souls who died for us all, is of the utmost importance. Remembering the ideals they died for, and preserving the way of life they died for, is, surely, also important. I'm pretty sure those dead heroes would have an opinion on todays world, perhaps it should be heard. Last night on 60 minutes was one of the most intelligent things I've heard about Memorial day--from the old curmudgeon, Andy Rooney, a WWII vet who lost a lot of friends in the war. He said somethin like, "It would be so much smarter to wrk for a day when the young people wouldn't have to die in these wars by changing our minds about war--a new religion or something--so that they wouldn't die and we wouldn't need this memorial day"--that's not exact but close. That what the VAW are trying to do--to show us that we need to stop sending our young people off to war, dammit. If people can't speak out who have been there, then this country isn't America, it's Saudi Arabia. Or Iran. The precious f... and for the record "idiots" was your term, recordsage, not mine. for the record it was kkcapricorn's, although I'm sure you agree with his sentiments. As for Andy Rooney - certainly admirable comments, unfortunately that's not the world we live in. Hasn't been like that since the inception. The very holiday we celebrate today is for those fallen in wars starting with the Revolutionary War. There wouldn't be USA if it wasn't for that war. I certainly don't advocate war, nor would I want another person to die in one, but there are people on this Earth who don't value their life or life of others and when they strike, as they did on 9/11 or worse - you have 2 choices - you either confront it or sit back for more of the same. I don't want to debate the ... for the record it was kkcapricorn's, although I'm sure you agree with his sentiments.For the record, I am a female. I still maintain that denying war veterans the right to march in the Memorial Day Parade because they want to carry an empty coffin covered with a flag is idiocy. They served their time; that should be enough to ensue their rights to march. "... its not the place for political agendas..." What is more political than war? "...to be about remembering those who sacrificed their lives..." What could be more symbolic of their deaths than a coffin draped with a flag? They certainly have a right to march, on a separate occasion and make their point. No question there. But what they're trying to do isn't about honoring the fallen heroes of various wars. And that's what this march was suppose to be about. You don't honor the dead by carrying coffins. Just because they served doesn't mean they have a right to dishonor the event. and I do apologize for changing your gender, certainly not intentional. Y'know, when I saw Preznut Bush crying yesterday over the tomb of the Unknowns, I was so outraged I started yellin' at the tube--It's disgusting to watch that man get a standing ovation after making a speech about the pain and suffering of fallen soldiers when he has caused so much of that pain and suffering. Yet the real veterans who have seen the futility of war aren't allowed to express themselves in a parade. How fucked up is that. It's BEYOND IDIOCY! You are so wrong about this RecordSage but I guess we've debated the point long enough...or take another shot at the anti-war soldiers who have no place to parade on Memorial Day. There are those who put on the uniform. And never saw one day of combat. Those are the ones you will find in the American Legion or VFW. They will drink and puff out their chest and pretend they were warriors. They know nothing of the reality of a war. They never saw 21 young men die in 30 minutes. Not knowing if the day would be your last. Instead they look at the war movies of John wayne. And believe that is real. They think that we are the good guys. And we could never do wrong. So they drink and wave their flags, and just pretend. And when real soldiers speak out. They become enraged. Because they do not want the truth. Because the truth is we are being misled by those very same coward... Thanks, cptenaud, I was hoping you would speak up on this subject--if anyone knows, it's you, brother. Peace be with you, man. True, I didn't serve in the military, but that doesn't mean I can't have respect & admiration for those who do, including cptenaud, of course. @cptenaud - I am waving the flag, but I'm not pretending anything. I've heard enough WW2 stories from people that served to last me a lifetime without pretending, including my uncle who served for 9 years during WW2. I'm sure that there are some, as you mention, that don't do much during the war but have a lot to say, typically those would be serving for a few months and carrying video cameras with them. But there are plenty of people who serve their country with honor and unfortunately many die and those are the people we honor every year. As ... Gee, thanks, RS...implying that everything else was ...what? Have fun with your red, white and blue kool aid. |
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