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3-7-2009 12:25 AM
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3-7-2009 12:28 AM
Antara
Last July, a discreet meeting was held by a group of influential evangelicals to co-ordinate a new church approach towards Islam. The meeting was convened by Bryan Knell of the missionary organisation Global Connections, and others from a group calling itself Christian Responses to Islam in Britain.

The 22 participants, who met at All Nations Christian College in Ware, Hertfordshire, were sworn to secrecy. The aim of the meeting was to develop the ‘grace approach to Islam’, which ‘tries to let Muslims interpret Islam rather than telling them what their religion teaches’. The meeting had in its sights those ‘aggressive’ Christians who were ‘increasing the level of fear’ in many others by tal...
3-7-2009 12:29 AM
Antara
In January the website of Fulcrum, an evangelical group, carried a review of Global Jihad by Ben White, a frequent contributor to the Guardian. His review rubbished Sookhdeo’s scholarship on the grounds that he had identified a theological problem with Islam when Islamic aggression was rooted instead in global grievances, particularly the existence and behaviour of Israel.

To cap a farrago of ignorance and historical illiteracy, White tried to damn Sookhdeo by association, citing ‘hard-line conservatives and pro-Israel right-wingers’ who endorsed his work as proof that Sookhdeo was beyond the pale.

White then drew his review to the attention of a blogger, Islamist and Muslim convert called...
3-7-2009 12:29 AM
Antara
He says he can ‘understand’ why some people are unpleasant towards Jews because of Israel’s ‘ideology of racial supremacy and its subsequent crimes committed against the Palestinians’ and also ‘the widespread bias and subservience to the Israeli cause in the Western media’.

Enter at this point the non-evangelical, secular Left in the shape of Andrew Brown, who joined White’s onslaught against Sookhdeo on the Guardian’s Comment Is Free website. Brown claimed of Sookhdeo’s supporters that they constructed ‘a closed mirror-world of hatred to stand against the Islamist one’.

Brown’s article, too, seemed to be driven by hostility to anyone who supported Israel. His objection to Sookhdeo was pri...
3-7-2009 12:31 AM
Antara
Brian Knell, for example, blames Israel’s ‘institutionalised terrorism’ for the radicalisation of Muslims worldwide. He thus ignores Islamist statements about the innate perfidy of the secular West, the cosmic evil of the Jews throughout history and the need to impose doctrinal purity upon other Muslims in the face of Western modernity.

The warped obsession with Israel is fundamental to these evangelicals’ desire to accommodate radical Islamism. Another participant at the All Nations meeting was Colin Chapman, the father of the UK movement against Christian Zionism — and whose animosity is rooted in a theological prejudice against the Jews.

Chapman’s hugely influential book, Whose Promised...
3-7-2009 12:32 AM
Antara
It is a sobering fact that such a subscriber to anti-Jewish prejudice should be so influential in the church. And such thinking has many followers, including Stephen Sizer. ‘The covenant between Jews and God,’ he has written, ‘was conditional on their respect for human rights. The reason they were expelled from the land was that they were more interested in money and power and treated the poor and aliens with contempt’.

And he has denied validity to Judaism itself saying: ‘to suggest …that the Jewish people continue to have a special relationship with God, apart from faith in Jesus …is, in the words of [the leading Anglican evangelical] John Stott, “biblically anathema”.’

And now look at o...
3-7-2009 12:33 AM
Antara
There is now a widespread sense that Israel must finally be defeated once and for all — and then the Islamists will calm down.

It is horrifying that so many in the church should be preaching against the victims of Jew-hatred and Islamist violence and seeking to accommodate those who stand for the persecution of Christians, the destruction of western and Christian values and the genocide of the Jews.

It is horrifying that the church is providing a platform for the dissemination of lies about Israel and ancient theological bigotry against the Jews. And it is horrifying that it contains people who are not just virulently hostile towards Israel but also towards anyone who supports it.

Given t...
3-7-2009 12:42 AM
sillysam
I think that Evangelical means something different in Britain than it does in America. Her Evangelicals are huge supporters of Israel.
3-7-2009 10:20 AM
bignosemousie
One World Religion!
3-7-2009 10:24 AM
jatfla
These are NOT 'evangelicals'; they are apostates!!!
And because some anti-christian people or groups choose to identify everything *called* Christian with Evangelical reveals their ignorance.
3-7-2009 10:32 AM
michellezm
Well said, Jafla
3-7-2009 12:55 PM
willhelm
One World Religion!
Think about it. Do you really believe the world will unify and embrace a one world religion?

In many respects we already do. It is called Materialism and it is a growing faith that forces and conquers. It is not a peaceful faith and it is a faith that absorbs many other faiths and philosophies, inculding Christianity, Atheism, Islam, Darwinism, Social Science-scientism, environmentalism, political philosophy (fascism/socialism>communism), . This is your one world religion and it may already be here.
3-7-2009 1:23 PM
jatfla
That's how I see the One World Religion...all persuasions under one umbrella with no Scriptural/Biblical basis whatsoever. True Christians will not embrace the ecumenicalism that you define...unless they are uninformed or deceived; both are possible.
3-7-2009 7:15 PM
bignosemousie
Do you really believe the world will unify and embrace a one world religion?
Yes, and it won't be God inspired, but human centric. It is how we will finally "all get along."
3-7-2009 7:48 PM
willhelm
but human centric.
Philosophic materialism.
3-7-2009 8:17 PM
jatfla
Whatever you call it willhelm...mousie accurately describes it as I know it.
3-7-2009 8:41 PM
willhelm
Right, but the roots are important, as is how it grows and develops, and the situational evolution of the various paradigms. I have been describing the various incarnations of materialism for a reason. I believe it is important to understand this foundational philosophy.
I believe when one does so they will lift a veil from their vision that will allow them to see the big picture of humanity in the same way that the New Testament provides instant understanding of the old. You will understand why it is important for materialists to create a modern day tower of Babel caused by their need for intellectual disarray, their authorship of intellectual confusion, and need to destroy tradition inst...
3-7-2009 8:41 PM
Antara
In my Moral Theology class last week, my prof ( a strong 'feminist theologian') admitted that she indeed does not hold that any absolute Truth exists. For her, each generation gives it own 'cultural expression' in its reaching out and expressing of it's God-belief. Yet she is Roman Catholic and teaches at a Catholic University.

I find this bizarre, as it seems to me what she is really saying is that ultimately her religion is man made....and yet I isn't that the very thing atheists have claimed all along!


3-7-2009 8:48 PM
willhelm
she indeed does not hold that any absolute Truth exists. For her, each
generation gives it own 'cultural expression' in its reaching out and
expressing of it's God-belief.
Another reason it is important for Christians to understand materialism. This is a prime example, and why I stated above that materialism even folds in Christianity. I am not a Catholic, but they have done an excellent job through the years on this line of thought. Today Reformed Protestants have overtaken them I believe, but still too many evangelicals are stuck on the popular myth-making of the likes of Lahaye.
3-8-2009 4:43 AM
michellezm
"Another reason it is important for Christians to understand materialism"

I'm eager to learn more. Any specific sites/articles you could recommend please, Willhelm?. Thanks. (If nothing else, I'm being educated on Clipmarks - and I'm grateful)
3-8-2009 7:47 AM
Antara
Me too Michelle, lol.
Between here, my course and this last US election, I have shifted gears on many issues.
3-8-2009 9:10 AM
jatfla
I no longer believe in the pre-tribulational rapture that is taught by most dispensationalists. Is that what you are calling a 'myth'?

I guess I'm not intellectual enough to understand the "materialistic" meaning that you are pointing towards unless you are saying that it's the ultimate pursuit of mankind and is now the goal of the global community/one world religion.
3-8-2009 4:13 PM
willhelm
Materialists regard matter as being the only reality. They are opposed to idealists or dualists, who recognize the existence of mind. They suggest that EVERY human action, need, or desire is the result of material forces. Materialist thought has led to an agenda of sorts into many aspects of our existence through various branches of thought and fields of study, most predominant being Freud, Malthus, Marx, Darwin, Niezche and many more. The philosophy of materialism has grayed down everything in our culture. Materialism insists on the rejection of objective truth, objective morality, objective ethics, rational law, and definitive language. These lines of thinking seek to remove personal respo...
3-8-2009 4:15 PM
willhelm
A good book to read is CS Lewis, Abolition of man.

And THIS is a pretty good article.
3-8-2009 8:07 PM
jatfla
Well, that makes absolute sense and it's definitely become part of the modern world's thinking.

Thanks Willhelm.
3-9-2009 3:43 AM
michellezm
Thank you Wilhelm for that summary and the link. Most appreciated.
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