* Sometimes, adults make choices for their own lives that other adults perceive to be bad choices. When that happens, the adults who know better have the right to step in, pass laws to restrict the bad choices, and even make the bad choices criminal -- all for the good of the adults who don't know what's good for them.
* People who respect the judgements which adult women make about their own lives and believe in their right to choose for themselves how they live are sexist and even misogynistic. People who believe that adult women don't really know what's good for them and need to have choices made for them by others are the people who respect women.
* The way you protect someone who is do...

* Sometimes, adults make choices for their own lives that other adults perceive to be bad choices. When that happens, the adults who know better have the right to step in, pass laws to restrict the bad choices, and even make the bad choices criminal -- all for the good of the adults who don't know what's good for them.
* People who respect the judgements which adult women make about their own lives and believe in their right to choose for themselves how they live are sexist and even misogynistic. People who believe that adult women don't really know what's good for them and need to have choices made for them by others are the people who respect women.
* The way you protect someone who is doing things you don't like is to turn them into criminals and force them to do it underground.
* Among liberals, Barney Frank is one of America's most admired and respectable public servants, despite this. Among many in the same group, Eliot Spitzer is a lowly piece of trash not fit for decent company.
* Among conservatives, David Vitter is someone who should be applauded and supported. Among the same group, Eliot Spitzer is dirt that needs to be thrown away.

* All decent people agree that what Eliot Spitzer did is repulsive, morally disgusting and totally nauseating -- which is why it's so important to learn about and report on every last titillating detail about what he did, the kind of sex he had, with whom he had it, how many times he had it, and what his partners looked like -- because it's all so completely appalling that it's critical that we stay fully informed.
* Because Eliot Spitzer is a wretched hypocrite who mercilessly and cruelly prosecuted others for the very acts in which he himself engaged, and because he's so very sleazy, there's no reason to question the vast, extraordinary law enforcement resources expended -- under highly un...

* All decent people agree that what Eliot Spitzer did is repulsive, morally disgusting and totally nauseating -- which is why it's so important to learn about and report on every last titillating detail about what he did, the kind of sex he had, with whom he had it, how many times he had it, and what his partners looked like -- because it's all so completely appalling that it's critical that we stay fully informed.
* Because Eliot Spitzer is a wretched hypocrite who mercilessly and cruelly prosecuted others for the very acts in which he himself engaged, and because he's so very sleazy, there's no reason to question the vast, extraordinary law enforcement resources expended -- under highly unusual circumstances -- by the Bush DOJ and FBI to investigate a crime that the Federal Government almost never prosecutes. Therefore, here's what we should ignore in order to focus on the much more important matters of Spitzer's sex life and his relationship with his wife (which is very much our concern), from today's The Wall St. Journal:

It isn't clear why the FBI sought the wiretap warrant. Federal prostitution probes are exceedingly rare, lawyers say, except in cases involving organized-crime leaders or child abuse. Federal wiretaps are seldom used to make these cases; search warrants usually suffice. Wiretap applications generally are reserved for serious crimes, such as drug, weapons and terrorism-related cases. There typically are no more than 1,400 wiretaps in use nationwide at any given time.

it was his own personal style of interacting with others in government for government business that is behind the dislike of him.

Of course. He was the biggest hypocrite in New York. And America knows a top class one given it has so many to chose from. And he was too good at his job! And I don't think an American brought up in that hotbed of sexual hypocrisy can get it so I try a different tact.

Celebrity is mandatory for Catholic clergy. Transgress and you leave or reform. Or reform. Give up the female. If the Pope was caught with a female, what then?

Would this shit dip his wick again after this outing? Don't think so. Getting it up at all might be a problem for a whi...

it was his own personal style of interacting with others in government for government business that is behind the dislike of him.

Of course. He was the biggest hypocrite in New York. And America knows a top class one given it has so many to chose from. And he was too good at his job! And I don't think an American brought up in that hotbed of sexual hypocrisy can get it so I try a different tact.

Celebrity is mandatory for Catholic clergy. Transgress and you leave or reform. Or reform. Give up the female. If the Pope was caught with a female, what then?

Would this shit dip his wick again after this outing? Don't think so. Getting it up at all might be a problem for a while. Was there anything wrong with his on the job, job performance? Did it too well!? So you fire the best man for one fuc@! No wonder America is in the shit.

Now compare that with the performance of the lord and master Bush. When you've dealt with Bush's numerous and major transgression then come to me to get exercised about one fuc@.

The real point is that your moral majority have again dictated a politician's future giving them more and more power. That America doesn't get this is the real crime here. One man's career, 5 degrees to the right!

Now compare that with the performance of the lord and master Bush. When you've dealt with Bush's numerous and major transgression then come to me to get exercised about one fuc@.

...or BJs. This wasn't replied to. Picking to deal with Bill or Spitzer minor sins in isolation from Bush's list is the zenith of hypocrisy.

Bill was setup. A plot to free a Zionist spy, but supposedly vetoed by Tenet. Remind me of how many young girls would retain her semen soaked dress in MINT CONDITION as irrefutable proof and tell a much older acquaintance about it. So who brought down an American president? The same as murdered US servicemen on USS Liberty? Who placed Monica in Bill's office? ...

Now compare that with the performance of the lord and master Bush. When you've dealt with Bush's numerous and major transgression then come to me to get exercised about one fuc@.

...or BJs. This wasn't replied to. Picking to deal with Bill or Spitzer minor sins in isolation from Bush's list is the zenith of hypocrisy.

Bill was setup. A plot to free a Zionist spy, but supposedly vetoed by Tenet. Remind me of how many young girls would retain her semen soaked dress in MINT CONDITION as irrefutable proof and tell a much older acquaintance about it. So who brought down an American president? The same as murdered US servicemen on USS Liberty? Who placed Monica in Bill's office?

if he was willing to declare publicly ahead of time that he intended to have sex with whomever he wanted, that would be fine, but as a public official his responsibility is not just to himself.

So you do want eunuchs? Well you have cattle, so you might as well castrate them too."I'm going to have a BJ in the Oval Office. Elect me." Don't think so.

He hurt the country by what he did because he gave crippling ammunition to his political enemies

Well he did no harm elsewhere other than prissy USA. It's only any form of ammunition if you allow it to be so.

Interesting. Would like to know more.

Well it was the Republicans. In itself, it's not a big part of the story. All federal employees were suspended as Republican Congress closed down federal USA. Normally an 'inexperienced' Monica would not have been near Bill. She was a 'swallow', a female agent run by that much older 'friend'.

All the CIA spies in the USSR we wiped out on information supplied by Israel in exchange for much need 'Jews' from the USSR. The agents names were supplied to Israel by the US spy, Pollard.

How former CIA chief foiled Pollard's release

If Israeli spy's [b]...

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Interesting. Would like to know more.

Well it was the Republicans. In itself, it's not a big part of the story. All federal employees were suspended as Republican Congress closed down federal USA. Normally an 'inexperienced' Monica would not have been near Bill. She was a 'swallow', a female agent run by that much older 'friend'.

All the CIA spies in the USSR we wiped out on information supplied by Israel in exchange for much need 'Jews' from the USSR. The agents names were supplied to Israel by the US spy, Pollard.

How former CIA chief foiled Pollard's release

If Israeli spy's release were included in 1998 Hebron agreement, George Tenet would have been out of a job, former intelligence agency head explains in his new book

Ex-CIA director: I prevented move to release spy for Israel
IMO, the Tenet prevention of Pollard's release was unlkly unless Bill agreed. So did Bill sacrifice his personal repuation as against Pollard's release?

My earlier...

The real point is that your moral majority have again dictated a politician's future giving them more and more power. That America doesn't get this is the real crime here. One man's career, 5 degrees to the right!

The hypercritical moral right, whose own leaders regularly don't practice what they preach but get 'forgiveness', dictate the rules. Bush can ride roughshod through everything that America held dear and expose them to worldwide ridicule and he gets away with it.

Worse is that an imperial president is now accepted in breach of the essence of the 'democratic' system of the USA. The genie is out of the box and will only go back in if Bush is held accoun...

My earlier...

The real point is that your moral majority have again dictated a politician's future giving them more and more power. That America doesn't get this is the real crime here. One man's career, 5 degrees to the right!

The hypercritical moral right, whose own leaders regularly don't practice what they preach but get 'forgiveness', dictate the rules. Bush can ride roughshod through everything that America held dear and expose them to worldwide ridicule and he gets away with it.

Worse is that an imperial president is now accepted in breach of the essence of the 'democratic' system of the USA. The genie is out of the box and will only go back in if Bush is held accountable. But the eunuchs haven't the 'balls', and time is running out. Are they afraid that he might grab even more power? Well it cannot get much worst. He is emperor in all but name!

Now look at all the hot air expelled in indignation about one shits indiscretion. Do you lock up the street-litters first or the murders? I'd personally castrate Spitzer AFTER you'd charged Bush! And don't forget the pimp's connections. Needs investigation, but by who? They were there too at 9/11. Only observing? Fingers in every pie.

have read that it did in reality hurt the country, and of course it couldn't but do so. Do you imagine Spitzer's actions hasn't hurt his family? US foreign policy was affected and his ability to execute foreign policy was hampered. It's possible that more attention was not given to bin Laden because of it. You yourself say that a Zionist plot was involved, you are saying it is more consequential than merely prissy American attitudes.

IMO, the only hurt that was done resulted in the major event that your media made of it. Sex between a prominent politician and a prostitute will always stir the juices of many but it's not a world event unless there's another agenda. No, I don...

have read that it did in reality hurt the country, and of course it couldn't but do so. Do you imagine Spitzer's actions hasn't hurt his family? US foreign policy was affected and his ability to execute foreign policy was hampered. It's possible that more attention was not given to bin Laden because of it. You yourself say that a Zionist plot was involved, you are saying it is more consequential than merely prissy American attitudes.

IMO, the only hurt that was done resulted in the major event that your media made of it. Sex between a prominent politician and a prostitute will always stir the juices of many but it's not a world event unless there's another agenda. No, I don't see much of a Zionist plot except to demonstrate power and use it against its own, much like the ADL does daily, flexing its muscle at every perceived and created slight.

Past the juicy bit, the world might reflect more, like me, on how the US elevates this 'affair' while content to agree to their own freedoms and democracy is dissipated.