 JackieDel says: "you hear a lot of horror stories about such systems, most of them false. French health care is excellent. Canadians with chronic conditions are more satisfied with their system than their U.S. counterparts. And Medicare is highly popular, as evidenced by the tendency of town-hall protesters to demand that the government keep its hands off the program." If a taxpayer funded health care system is so terrible where are the howls of protest from Canadians, Australians, French, Swiss? Now, I just wonder why the British health care system would not dump Prof Stephen Hawking? I wonder how he would be treated if he was "Joe Smo"? I have read some horror stories about the lack of decent care for some. Try reading about it at the site below. http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/ian-birrell-why-i-dont-believe-that-the-nhs-is-sacrosanct-1775088.html Your article is one that could come from the many malpractice suits in this country. Just turn on TV and count the many prescription drug class lawsuits. And these are people that died in the thousands. But of course you think we are infallible.Your arrogance borders on utter stupidity. And I'm sure you think we won in Vietnam. Dream on. jay8h: Firstly, that is one story out of how many millions? Also..medical inefficiency and incompetence is not the domain of countries with a taxpayer funded health care system. If you, or a loved one, had suffered a serious medical condition you be aware of that fact. Are you suggesting that, as usual the US knows best? That every other developed country (with a taxpayer funded health care system) is wrong and the US privatised model is right? I have news for you...the rest of the world is sick and tired of US arrogance. We don't 'want any more of your wars and we don't want your type of health care system. Got it? cptenaud: "Your article is one that could come from the many malpractice suits in this country. Just turn on TV and count the many prescription drug class lawsuits. And these are people that died in the thousands". Your point? That adverse drug effects don't happen under privatised health care??? "And I'm sure you think we won in Vietnam. Dream on. " Huh? I thought everyone knows that the US didn't win the Vietnam war? Just for the record I was against the Vietnam war, and the US led invasion of Iraq and all other wars the US have led the world into over the past 40 years. Jackie. I was directing this at jay8. I should have put @jay8 . I am an American. When I said in this country, I mean America. The TV ads are from America. And I know far too well how poor our health care is hear. I fought for this country and my VA health care is a sham. And people like jay8 should be ashamed for trying to protect such a system. But they are the ones who probably have a stake in it. Weather it be stocks or just pure stupidity. They wave the flag and pretend their country does no wrong. Here is what this great country did to the Veterans fighting this war when Bush was in charge. May of 2008 http://www.citizensforethics.org/taxonomy/term/1285 — Comment removed by clipper — Typically jay8h never even read the entire article he referenced. If he had he would realize that the article does not support his case one iota. The following are excerpts from the linked article suggested by jay8h: No one in their right mind would want to import the American system here.
Hey America just extended our average life span to 78, that puts us below Albania...They live on average till 85. The medical industry makes up around 1/7 of the US economy and Obama wants it. it is that simple It has everything to do with control. I suggest you actually read the healthcare reform, including the bit that was tagged onto the end of the stimulus bill. It may be similar in principle to other "free healthcare" but the details are very very different. I for one want National healthcare for all. Every human being in the US should have equal access. But I have no illusions that Obama or the current admin will achieve this. The support is simply not there. The reforms, for good or bad, will be sliced and diced till October recess and put on hold. We spend 3 times more now per person than any other major country that already has healthcare. All the major complaints I hear about the British, Canadian, or even the Swiss systems are people having to wait. We have to wait now. I am disabled, forced into Medicare due to a pre-existing condition. I have to wait three weeks to see my primary doctor, or go to the ER. It seems to me in my limited ... And its alright to have 51% of our tax dollar for war and occupation. Nothing to help humanity. Only to destroy it. So much for a Christian nation. I agree on the war occupation comment. A waste of lives and resources. Anyone notice that we invade countries that don't have weapons of mass destruction, basically sticks and stones compared to what we have. We leave alone countries that do, like North Korea who will even tell us what cities they will bomb and some of their people are so poor, they have to sell and eat human flesh. It's all just a game. People are so scared, and that is exactly what a war on terror is designed to do. A frightened populous is a controlled one. Although I am not a Big Obama supporter,. I was sad to see some lunatic had posted some very racist signs all over the country roads around here. And I live in Sa... deadcowkid..."Although I am not a Big Obama supporter,. I was sad to see some lunatic had posted some very racist signs all over the country roads around here. And I live in Santa Cruz, one of the most liberal cities in California. Shows him in white Face, with cool aide on his lips.".. Considering the USA's long history of violent and bloody racism it's not that surprising. All it will take is for some delusional nutter with access to a weapon who believe he's on a mission from the US's most popular deity and the unthinkable could happen (again)! How did the US become such a violent and racist country? I know there are many good people in the US who abhor violence etc, but from the outside... Couldn't of said it better Jack, and I guess I wasn't that surprised. We treat our homeless like garbage here. More tired of the ignorance and rhetoric. Today I throw out my TV. I don't normally remove comments...but Steve Savage's unsavoury comment about Prof. Hawkins was asking for it. Savage: go peddle your twisted beliefs elsewhere. Savage: go peddle your twisted beliefs elsewhere.A Kid was perched up on the top of a house, and looking down saw a Wolf passing under him. Immediately he began to revile and attack his enemy. "Murderer and thief," he cried, "what do you here near honest folks' houses? How dare you make an appearance where your vile deeds are known?" "Curse away, my young friend," said the Wolf. I also for the very first time hide Steve's comments, he is way out there. Torture apologist for starters. He is entitled to his opinions, but I don't have to listen. I'm just sick of reading it. Wow Some great Comments Up in here. And Of course Well I'm Not going to go there. What do you think The NWO is Going to do to 3rd World Countries??? When they already speak of mandatory Untested Mass vaccinations, in control of what they think what medical tests you need or what they think you DON'T NEED, out right rationing of Care and Goods across the Board. You Socialist Know who I'm Talking to.. Welcome to social Industrial Slavery. The NWO is going to shake the Inhabitants of 3rd world Countries off like a bad case of Fleas. Now the Question "Why Doesn't any of the recipients of other countries Complain about their health Care" These People All Live In Socialized countries that ca... Keep an eye on this right here folks. Meet the behind the scenes Controllers of the Global Pharmaceutical Companies of the NWO. http://www.gatesfoundation.org/annual-letter/Pages/2009-bill-gates-annual-letter.aspx Go to their About page. Normn8or....you've been sucking up right wing rhetoric for so long you can't tell which way is up...either that or you forgot to take your pill. For heaven's sake..."mandatory Untested Mass vaccinations, rationing of Care and Goods across the Board, (people) live in Utter Fear of being Cut off from care all together or set so far back on the lists that your grandson will be dead of old age by the time they call your name". Exactly which countries are you referring t..because it's not Australia or the UK (I've lived in both). Please enlighten us with some facts. Steve Savage...what are you on about? Second thoughts I don't want to know. Maybe you and Normn8or could pal up and start your own political party..on the planet Zeus perhaps? deadcowkid..I see what you mean :-/ Plenty of waist and wait out there in the UK.. what do you want me to back Up precisely We could start with some casual Reading http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukforgets.html Or maybe the litany of Non-Medical Paychecks that suck a system dry? Hate Government but vote to grow it Larger doesn't make any sence.!!! http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukforgets.html Privet Innovation Drives Prosperity. Hey We could make health care like a Game show Now theres an Idea Tonights Drawing is to play in the New Smash hit Medical Game show "Who Needs an Organ" http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukIVF.html All the pages have the Source link at the top. In a Gov... What do you folks Have down there a House, Parliament, I don't Sure did love Steve Irwin though. A Good idea is to start rooting around.. No No. Not that terminology That means something totally different down there... Hahahah. Start Poking around the Bills or what ever you call them that your politicians are paid to argue over but in the end protect you with but are also passing through in Lightening Speed. It's Happening all over the Global where the Banking Elite Rule. I mean Sad Sad State of Affairs the world has fallen under. http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukkidney.html Normn8or..So you've grasped the concept of how capitalism works! Well done. I suggest you start broadening your reading horizons. I've never seen people with AIDS begging on the streets because they couldn't afford health care in the UK or Australia, but I saw plenty in the US when I was there in 1991. I wonder why? "I also for the very first time hide Steve's comments, he is way out there."- deadcowkid "deadcowkid..I see what you mean" - JackieDel For the Akashic Record, JackieDel and deadcowkid, these are ad hominem attacks which, not even the most intelligent and informed commenters have ever directed my way; nor have I committed that offense against others. I have debited your accounts with these errors. Please feel free to add as many more errors as you like since it matters not to me how you see me but only how I see you. Steve Savage "King of the Beasts" People with AIDS Choose their Path. And that Path is of promiscuous behavior ranging from Drug Use to sex and even the use of Prostitutes let alone the Partner turn over Of gay sex alone. Bad Times Befall Bad People. Like i said Globalization? What a joke!! Countries without Identities, With Histories Revised... Rewritten For Whats the Common Mantra???? Oh Yes " For the Common Good" Sanitize the Past of it's rich Heritage all in the name of the Common Good. More Like at all cost "eh". It's time for The world not worry about what is Happening in Amarica but what have your orators of law have been pulling over your heads, Because when it is all said and done the truth is the Americans have the most To Loose all the way down to their Personal Basic's. I don't know what you mean Broadening My reading Horizons... Seems to me your the one that is missing a few Pieces of the picture maybe even something you never really had being socialized that being Liberty. And that is something you have to have once you've had it, Crave it when you hear about it and Die to Keep it. We have 320 Million people in America with 42 million uninsured. We Have upwards of 56 Million People dabbling in hard narcotics (Not Pot) We Have a lazy welfare State full of Abled bodies. So If someone tells you that they can't get affordable health care just remember that 56 million people would rather live a Lazy free Life style on the back of the Hard working Class. Oh Thats right Thats one of the main things about Social marxism The removal of Class, leveling everyone to a respectable social peasant level. With the exception of the Elitists such as oh say Hawkings. Show me somebody else a regular joe receive the level of care hawkings Has for the duration that he has (Or . For the duration of their illness/Life. Or is it he's really just that special. Doesn't a regular Joe deserve that same level of devotion to life. Or does that regular joe Just get an assessment of the Dollar spent weighed against said usefulness of peasant Joe and the resources that will be used keeping pour peasant joe alive. Governments don't work with Morals they work with Dollars and Blood as Fertilizer for the little Eichmann's they are now breeding and incubating the NWO's up and coming Brown Shirts.... |
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