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8-6-2008 4:28 PM380 views
masbury says:
Add it up. Savings from offshore drilling are so puny that ...
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8-6-2008 10:47 PM
The REAL Napster
The Chicago Tribune says Obama & the Huff &Puff post are both full of hot air. According to the article Obama cannot back up his wild claim one bit. Seems the Associated Press got caught up in the Obamination Energy Plan as well. Ooops.
8-6-2008 11:05 PM
ratilfar
Oh boy!

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/maintain.shtml

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/608/

And the full quote?

“There are things that you can do individually, though, to save energy,” Obama said in the July 30, 2008, appearance. “Making sure your tires are properly inflated — simple thing. But we could save all the oil that they’re talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires, and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much.”
McSame don't listen to good to past Preznits now do he?

Even the blessed G...
8-6-2008 11:08 PM
ratilfar
Cont....

Check car tire pressure often, even in vehicles with tire pressure
monitoring systems. And because even the best-maintained tires will
wear out eventually, a Goodwrench technician can inspect tires and
advise when replacements are due - and which ones best meet your
vehicle's specifications.
But of course that is not all that Obama is proposing, but he is not feeding the fat cats running the oil multinationals (not U.S. companies most of them, they have no loyalty to the U.S.), that is a big NO-NO to Republicans. Or God forbid leaving the SUV in the garage. Walking? Are you a Socialist or something?
8-6-2008 11:24 PM
ratilfar
What is he comparing to? A completely un-inflated tire? Of course you will save money on gas having your tires inflated as opposed to driving around on 4 flats.
Another reading comprehension FAIL!

Jeebus!

Heck even John McCain agrees with Obama!

“Obama said a couple of days ago says we all should inflate
our tires. I don’t disagree with that. The American Automobile
Association strongly recommends it,”
McCain said.
But thanks for all the free tire gauges, I am sure we will put them to good use. Now Johny do you still have those Super-Secret ACME...
8-7-2008 12:07 AM
The REAL Napster
"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tuneups," Obama said. "You could actually save just as much."
THAT'S the wild claim that even Obama's campaign managers cannot back up.


Obama may have exaggerated when he said simply inflating tires and getting regular tuneups would save just as much oil as the offshore drilling McCain is proposing. But automotive experts long have suggested those steps to cut gas bills. The Obama campaign could not provide figures to back up his claim that [b]...
8-7-2008 1:12 AM
masbury
Better read the clip, RN - the facts are there. He never claimed these ideas were original with him. They are proven to work, and they do add up to a greater fuel availability than offshore drilling is projected to give.

Read the clip. Check the references. More work than setting up and knocking down straw men, but that's what it takes.
8-7-2008 1:32 AM
The REAL Napster
They are proven to work, and they do add up to a greater fuel availability than offshore drilling is projected to give.
I did read the articles, followed the links and they do not offer ANY concrete numbers as to oil savings being greater with properly inflated tires vs offshore drilling. I even pasted verbatiim from the Chicago Tribune article whereby Obama's camp cannot confirm or back up their above claim. If you have verifiable numbers from a government or transportation funded study proving this, we'd all like to see it.
8-7-2008 7:21 AM
debbyski
I don't think anyone would argue the point that properly inflated tires save on gas mileage. I mean, that's a given. As far as taking Obama's advice in context, I think it's good advice. There are things, simple things, that we can all do to save on our oil consumption, just like there are things we can do to cut down on our energy consumption. It's just common sense and anyone who would argue otherwise probably has a political ax to grind.
8-7-2008 9:51 AM
ratilfar
First off, we don't even know how much off shore drilling will get. Second at the best estimates the impact of said drilling would not affect global prices in about 10 years, if all things remain the same (which they won't). Third, Obama never claimed that these where HIS ideas, just common sense ones and finally, that is not his entire energy plan.

Again, you don't cure an addict by feeding his addiction.
8-7-2008 10:02 AM
ratilfar
As for numbers, try these real, I could use right now numbers not in 10 years time estimates:

Tuning Car

Fuel Economy Benefit:
4%
Equivalent Gasoline Savings:
$0.16/gallon
Properly inflating tires
Fuel Economy Benefit:
up to 3%
Equivalent Gasoline Savings:
up to $0.12/gallon
Up to $0.28 cents a gallon.

Reading comprehension? FAIL!

But yeah, you hand over more rights to companies that are not expanding their oil refinery capacity, backed up by two oil men in the White House wh...
8-7-2008 10:24 AM
The REAL Napster
First off, we don't even know how much off shore drilling will get.
I do know how much you get if you DON'T drill, NONE. ZERO.
And your dependance on FOREIGN OIL is still just as high.

Second at the best estimates the impact of said drilling would not affect global prices in about 10 years, if all things remain the same (which they won't).
That's a flat out crock. The very DAY that the President announced he was overturning the moritorium on offshore drilling the oil prices dropped. Imagine what happens when we begin offshore drilling and large deposits are announced to the world.

It would scare the robes off our crack masters, the Saudis, Venezul...
8-7-2008 10:37 AM
ratilfar
If you care so much, why feed the addiction. Again, with the increase in consumption from China and India alone whatever oil gets dumped into the market will not make a difference (and by difference I mean dropping prices below the $75 mark, that is when the panic started).

Also saying these things is not the same as claiming them. I can say, "lets go to the moon", I can't claim that was an original thought, now can I?

Imagine what happens when we begin offshore drilling and large deposits are announced to the world.

It would scare the robes off our crack masters, the Saudis, Venezulans(sp?) and a few others. They don't like losing their biggest customer.
If ...
8-7-2008 10:43 AM
ratilfar
As for the numbers:

The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017. Total domestic production of crude oil from 2012 through 2030 in the OCS access case is projected to be 1.6 percent higher than in the reference case, and 3 percent higher in 2030 alone, at 5.6 million barrels per day. For the lower 48 OCS, annual crude oil production in 2030 is projec...
8-7-2008 10:45 AM
ratilfar
Also:

For starters, the lead time for oil exploration takes years. Even if offshore drilling areas opened up tomorrow, experts say it would take at least 10 years to realize any significant production. And even then, they say, the U.S. contribution to the overall global oil market would not be enough to make a significant dent in the price of gas.
It takes years to bring new oil wells online, said Mike Rodgers, a leading oil expert with PFC Energy in Washington. Companies need to drill exploratory wells, then discovery wells around the exploratory wells that show promise. Shipyards that b...
8-7-2008 10:58 AM
debbyski
Obama DID say them. Especially the part where inflating your tires will save a smuch oil as drilling.
He didn't say that Nappy! He said we could all do a small part by taking little steps such as proper tire inflation. Come on! This is just a wordplay and you know it.
8-7-2008 12:20 PM
masbury
Looks to me that the numbers are on the table, RN. You inflate your tires, you reduce your dependence on foreign oil, giving you a return of up to .12 per gallon, or 3%. Bush energy policy statistics.

Regarding supplies, here's U of Mich Prof Juan Cole:

0.3 million barrels a day [the projected production of offshore
drilling] would make very little difference whatsoever to current oil ... Bringing the 300,000 barrels a day on line would make somebody a lot of money. It will do us no good
It's from the graphic clipped at How would US drilling affect oil supplies? The graph is terribly important, for it shows how minuscule offshore drilling really is.

8-7-2008 1:11 PM
The REAL Napster
@ DebbySki-
He did say exactly that-

"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tuneups," Obama said. "You could actually save just as much."
I don't know what part of quotation marks you don't get, but it's right there in black and white on the Chicago Tribune page. Maybe you better contact the editors and tell em they misquoted Obama. They didn't. Word play? Not even close.
8-7-2008 3:18 PM
n2sooners
All I have to say is so what? If Obama is wrong or if Obama is right, what difference does it make? It isn't an either/or choice, there is absolutely nothing stopping us from doing both.

As for that 200,000 barrels per day number, it is the absolute lowest number with the high end being ten times that much.
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