Napster, the reference you're quoting on Prophet's saying is weak, because first of all, not all of Prophet's sayings are credible

So, enlighten us. Show us on online link that goes straight to the actual text, I don't even care what language it's in.
Stating that "not all of Prophet's sayings are credible" doesn't hold up well in the line of scrutiny, either. They either are credible or they are not.

and second, not all accept the recorded sayings on its face value.

Why not? If it is an accurate record and states in exacting terms, why would they not follow it to the letter?

Third, there is no such law for killing a convert anywhere ...

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Napster, the reference you're quoting on Prophet's saying is weak, because first of all, not all of Prophet's sayings are credible

So, enlighten us. Show us on online link that goes straight to the actual text, I don't even care what language it's in.
Stating that "not all of Prophet's sayings are credible" doesn't hold up well in the line of scrutiny, either. They either are credible or they are not.

and second, not all accept the recorded sayings on its face value.

Why not? If it is an accurate record and states in exacting terms, why would they not follow it to the letter?

Third, there is no such law for killing a convert anywhere unless you live in a Taleban like regime and they don't represent Islam.

I'm waiting for some online links of said laws (not translations either) All we have seen thus far in your defense is what you say they mean. Let see some real references so we can see them with our own eyes, if you don't mnd. Trying to refute my statements by not providing any references for your counter claims doesn't qualify. Also, so-called 'Honor Killings' do not just take place in Taliban influenced areas. Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India... the list is many.

Fourth, Islam is not a monolith

This argument is reviewed here and by opinion only

Fifth, be my guest on quoting all of your arguments from hostile or propaganda websites, I have refuted many of your comments in last few days on various clips, and I don't even claim to know much.

No, you havent refuted ANY of my statements because you failed to provide us with online links to back up your 'refuted claims'. Subpoena ad Testificum (Latin) means to 'Produce Evidence'. Get them all together, we can wait.

you failed to provide us with online links

Sorry, I don't engage myself in providing propaganda - or even wikipedia - links. I have given references to published and credible books. If you do not have time to read books or don't read books at all, then it isn't my problem.

For a beginner on "religion of peace, mercy and compassion" (which all religions are), start with this. It is written for the Western audience and it is a very small book. You won't even have to purchase it, you should be able to find it in your library, and if not, then you can have them get it for you through inter-library loans or purchase request.

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you failed to provide us with online links

Sorry, I don't engage myself in providing propaganda - or even wikipedia - links. I have given references to published and credible books. If you do not have time to read books or don't read books at all, then it isn't my problem.

For a beginner on "religion of peace, mercy and compassion" (which all religions are), start with this. It is written for the Western audience and it is a very small book. You won't even have to purchase it, you should be able to find it in your library, and if not, then you can have them get it for you through inter-library loans or purchase request.

If you rather follow the people (human beings) who follow and interpret the religion their way and get full attention through the media for doing it wrongly, then don't read any books, just turn on the TV (I'm sure you do already) or check back with your online sources of propagandists like worldnetdaily and others.

cjartists (or should we say con job artists)

You are the king of 'Trolls'. Since your 'alias' creation date of 2-1-2008 you have only created one clip total and that was yesterday.

You actually quoted a christian website well-known for it's anti-islam bias as evidence on Islamic law.

In your futile attempts to belittle others comments, you failed once again to notice what was right in front of you.

"This argument is reviewed here and by opinion only" "Opinion only" means it was not based on historical references and was only the opinion of that site or writer. Get a clue.

You are aware, by the way, that the bible contains the same laws about killing ...

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cjartists (or should we say con job artists)

You are the king of 'Trolls'. Since your 'alias' creation date of 2-1-2008 you have only created one clip total and that was yesterday.

You actually quoted a christian website well-known for it's anti-islam bias as evidence on Islamic law.

In your futile attempts to belittle others comments, you failed once again to notice what was right in front of you.

"This argument is reviewed here and by opinion only" "Opinion only" means it was not based on historical references and was only the opinion of that site or writer. Get a clue.

You are aware, by the way, that the bible contains the same laws about killing those that convert, or even attempt to convert another- right?

Maybe you are not aware that the New Testament of the Bible did away with the old? The old testament used Moses as the foundation, whilst the new used Jesus. Maybe you should read it. Jesus never mentions or states that apostates are to be killed but cast out.

Still waiting for some online references from arifsali-

Sorry, I don't engage myself in providing propaganda - or even wikipedia - links. I have given references to published and credible books. If you do not have time to read books or don't read books at all, then it isn't my problem.

So ALL online references to Islamic scriptures are propaganda? How sad. You cannot even provide ONE that isn't? It almost sounds like you won't provide any because you are afraid of showing what is contained therein.

Luke 19:27
"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me."

par·a·ble /ˈpærəbəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[par[/b]-uh[/i]-buh[/i]l] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun

1.
a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson.

2.
a statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like.

[Origin: 1275–1325; ME parabil[/i] < LL parabola[/i] comparison, parable, word < Gk parabol[/i] comparison, equiv. to para-[/i] para-1 + bol[/i] a throwing]

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Luke 19:27
"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me."

par·a·ble /ˈpærəbəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[par[/b]-uh[/i]-buh[/i]l] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun

1.
a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson.

2.
a statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like.

[Origin: 1275–1325; ME parabil[/i] < LL parabola[/i] comparison, parable, word < Gk parabol[/i] comparison, equiv. to para-[/i] para-1 + bol[/i] a throwing]

Luke 19:11-27

[11] While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once.

[12] He said: "A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return.

[13] So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. 'Put this money to work,' he said, 'until I come back.'

[14] "But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, 'We don't want this man to be our king.'

[15] "He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.

[16] "The first one came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned ten more.'

[17] " 'Well done, my good servant!' his master replied. 'Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.'

[18] "The second came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned five more.'

[19] "His master answered, 'You take charge of five cities.'

[20] "Then another servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth.
[21] I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.' [22] "His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? [23] Why then didn't you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?' [24] "Then he said to those standing by, 'Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.' [25] " 'Sir,' they said, 'he already has ...

[20] "Then another servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth.
[21] I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.' [22] "His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? [23] Why then didn't you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?' [24] "Then he said to those standing by, 'Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.' [25] " 'Sir,' they said, 'he already has ten!' [26] "He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. [27] But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.' " So, as is taught by this STORY or PARABLE Jesus did not order this but told of a noble ruler who did, a story or parable to teach accountability for your actions. This is a common misconception that Jesus had ordered people killed but was not in any way true.

Napster,

What's with the ad hominem barrage? This issue is easily debatable on it's own merits. By the way, the definition of "troll" is not merely anyone who disagrees with you.

I'm not sure what my clip total has to do with my ability to recognize a B.S. argument when I see one. In fact, given the large amount of extreme right-wing neocon propaganda you're littering the place with, the argument could be made that I've contributed more than you simply by not tossing about such nonsense.

Maybe you are not aware that the New Testament of the Bible did away with the old? The old testament used Moses as the foundation, whilst the new used Jesus. Maybe you should read it. Jesus ne...

Napster,

What's with the ad hominem barrage? This issue is easily debatable on it's own merits. By the way, the definition of "troll" is not merely anyone who disagrees with you.

I'm not sure what my clip total has to do with my ability to recognize a B.S. argument when I see one. In fact, given the large amount of extreme right-wing neocon propaganda you're littering the place with, the argument could be made that I've contributed more than you simply by not tossing about such nonsense.

Maybe you are not aware that the New Testament of the Bible did away with the old? The old testament used Moses as the foundation, whilst the new used Jesus. Maybe you should read it. Jesus never mentions or states that apostates are to be killed but cast out.

This is often quoted by christians and others seeking to separate the their own beliefs from what they spout about Islam, but it is completely without merit. Nowhere did Jesus claim in the New Testament that he was throwing out the old laws. He even says quite the opposite on more than one occasion, and takes actions that continue to provide support to what christians like to categorize as "old testament" laws. I'm sure you knew all of this already, given your implied expertise on the scripts in question.

36 comments, huh?
OK. I skipped straight down to the bottom w/out reading a single one. After posting this I'll go up and read some.
HERE ARE MY PREDICTIONS~~~
*=Within the first 6 or 8 there will be the passive-aggressive vague bemoaning, goes something like: "How sad we can be so evil." OR "Humans can be so awful." You know, to flatly deny the real point in a hidden, yet obnoxious retort subtly firing a shot at the clipper in code. A way to call "bigot" without really doing it.
*=By clip 16 -20 the counter reminding that Christians also bomb abortion clinics.
*=Somewhere in the #20's there is the dispute over whether the Koran really dictates this act or not, and the Bible tells us to own...

36 comments, huh?
OK. I skipped straight down to the bottom w/out reading a single one. After posting this I'll go up and read some.
HERE ARE MY PREDICTIONS~~~
*=Within the first 6 or 8 there will be the passive-aggressive vague bemoaning, goes something like: "How sad we can be so evil." OR "Humans can be so awful." You know, to flatly deny the real point in a hidden, yet obnoxious retort subtly firing a shot at the clipper in code. A way to call "bigot" without really doing it.
*=By clip 16 -20 the counter reminding that Christians also bomb abortion clinics.
*=Somewhere in the #20's there is the dispute over whether the Koran really dictates this act or not, and the Bible tells us to own slaves and kill queers you dumb-ass ignorant neo-fundie,blah,blah.
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OK Let's go see how close I was.

I agree davboz

I call it MURDER

and still do and still no pop.

Living in St Louis I see all the headlines of all the murders and it just makes me wonder why any of us are alive anymore.

Just about every clip about atrocities gets a barrage of comments and pops. As you stated, it gets so predictable I often just LOL. That is why, if you ever looked, my clips are so seemingly random and off 'topic'. Sometimes I will clip a hidden meaning and see if anyone gets it. I get a few that can see the real meaning, most don't.
There is much more to life than atrocities. If one focuses on the atrocities then their life must be awful trying to convince themselves that life is even...

I agree davboz

I call it MURDER

and still do and still no pop.

Living in St Louis I see all the headlines of all the murders and it just makes me wonder why any of us are alive anymore.

Just about every clip about atrocities gets a barrage of comments and pops. As you stated, it gets so predictable I often just LOL. That is why, if you ever looked, my clips are so seemingly random and off 'topic'. Sometimes I will clip a hidden meaning and see if anyone gets it. I get a few that can see the real meaning, most don't.
There is much more to life than atrocities. If one focuses on the atrocities then their life must be awful trying to convince themselves that life is even worth living.
If you need a refreshment you are welcome to come to my profile and mosey around.