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7-8-2008 9:11 AM
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pkronfield says:
Before they can trust, they have to respect. Clinton never got the respect of the troops other than the lickspittle Gen. Wesley Clark. Similarly, this empty suit, al Qaeda sleeper cell Hussein Obama, will never gain that respect. He represents the Left who continually stabbed them in the back during the long war.
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7-9-2008 10:47 AM
wiccantexan
A good percentage of the troops I've talked with here on the Army post I work at are pro-Obama.
7-9-2008 11:46 AM
pkronfield
Nice try. Hardly a reliable sampling method - as birds of a feather fly together, you probably hang with minorities and other liberals, and probably E-3 or so level. But nothing as audaciously deceptive as ABC's recent "poll" where out of a sampling of 30 soldiers in Iraq, 26 were for McCain, 3 were for Hussein Obama, and one was uncertain. ABC reported "troops in favor of Obama 3 to 1".

Be all that as it may, professional troops do not, as a practice, reveal their political leanings, as by nature, our armed forced need to be apolitical (however difficult that may be with despicable commanders in chiefs such as Clinton or Carter).
7-9-2008 12:20 PM
wiccantexan
I'm a civilian who works with both NCOs and officers, who rotate through our offices on a regular basis as they receive medical field training.

Soldiers are not forbidden to have general conversations about politics.
7-9-2008 1:03 PM
pkronfield
Well there you have it. It is no mistake that MASH was a liberal favorite, and some of the actors of that series are some of the more vocal extreme left liberals out there. The theme of MASH was consistantly anti war and anti military.

I would not classify military medical workers' political opinions as characterizing in any way that of most of our troops and sailors.

It is understandable, as they deal with the ravages of war on a daily basis, and understandably abhor war. However, it remains very true that to maintain peace you must prepare for war. The liberals would have us fall short in that category, and that philosophy will invite attack by our enemies. Witness al Qaeda'...
7-9-2008 1:23 PM
wiccantexan
I would not classify military medical workers' political opinions as characterizing in any way that of most of our troops and sailors.
You wouldn't count active duty Soldier medics as characterizing in any way the political opinions of the troops? That makes no sense at all.

I agree entirely that to maintain peace you must prepare for war. So do they. What was your point?
7-9-2008 2:31 PM
pkronfield
The point is you tried to refute my contention that our troops would not respect, or support a political candidate who represents the far left liberal wing that has consistently betrayed them, undermined them, endangered them, and stabbed them in the backs at every opportunity, from the lowliest private to - in their own words - "Betray Us" Gen. Petraeus.

In doing so, you made a far reaching claim that most of "the soldiers you have talked to" will support Hussein Obama. There is not scientific methodology in your claim, and the sample you present seems to me to be skewed by their very profession and military role.

I can make the same claim, as the soldiers I communicate with are ...
7-10-2008 10:09 AM
wiccantexan
I never claimed mine to be a statistical fact either, just that my own experience with personally talking with military personnel has yielded a different overall view from your own.
7-11-2008 10:20 AM
pkronfield
Well, you talk to the medical people, and I talk to the warriors. The warriors far outnumber the medical people in the armed forces. What does this suggest? It suggests that the majority of our armed forces do not support that empty suit, the al Qaeda sleeper cell, B. Hussein Obama.
7-11-2008 11:20 AM
wiccantexan
Well, you talk to the medical people, and I talk to the warriors.
*grin* I'd consider medics on the front lines to be warriors. They didn't get those prosthetic legs going to Starbucks. But I don't think you're willing to go anywhere with this.
7-11-2008 12:08 PM
pkronfield
I am certainly not deriding their courage under fire and valor. I'm only pointing out the mentality and political leanings of people who opt for the scalpal instead of the sword might have significantly different political leanings than the gun toters. This inherently makes the medic class more liberal. Now, if we had a conscripted army, I would think the left-right mix to be more 50-50, and the drafted in harm's way unwillingly are less educated, generally, and more likely to support the party willing to go for defeat and retreat as our liberals always are. However, today we have a highly educated volunteer army. And this class of professional warrior understands what is at stake and ...
7-11-2008 12:15 PM
jklugman
pkronfield said:

Hardly a reliable sampling method
This is great. Trashing the sampling methods of others while making blanket assertions backed up by nothing.
7-11-2008 12:40 PM
pkronfield
You're not reading very well. You must be one of those near sighted liberals ever viewing the world through rose colored glasses while sipping the cool aide.

I believe I stated several times, these were my OPINIONS. I never claimed scientific statistical sampling methods.
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