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3-22-2009 8:39 PM
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Rustee says:
The fact is that Wis. Stat. § 941.23 does not ban or prohibit the lawful carrying of firearms by citizens. By enacting the law, the legislature intended to force citizens to openly carry their firearms while in public, which is what Mr. Krause was lawfully doing (additionally, he was on his own property).
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3-22-2009 8:46 PM
Rustee
From the udate article on the same case.
Wisconsin has a unique set of laws pertaining to guns:


*The WI Constitution has an amendment for individual citizens to keep and bear arms in Article I Section 25.

*Concealed carry is illegal under WI Statute 941.23, but openly carrying a handgun is legal without any sort of permit or training, according to several WI Supreme Court cases.

*The state does not allow local governments to create laws more restrictive than state laws (WI Stat. 66.0409).

*The WI Supreme Court has stated repeatedly that laws can't be applied to restrict Constitutionally guaranteed
rights.

T...
3-22-2009 9:07 PM
dl211
The man should sue the police and city, the Lieutenant should be demoted or fired for allowing this incident to progress all the way to an illegal arrest.
Cops should know the law, and the above is not that hard to figure out. I doubt he will be prosecuted, if so the DA would be even dumber than the cops.
3-23-2009 12:18 PM
tanyamm
What were they thinking!
3-23-2009 2:36 PM
Satchamo
Disorderly conduct for planting trees in your own yard while publicly carrying! I can't wait to see the followup on this clip--can we all say civil suit---and how about the nosy neighbor who started it all. How about his disorderly conduct!
3-23-2009 3:30 PM
shaor
yes I wait too to this follow up!!
3-23-2009 11:21 PM
Rustee
I don't know about Mr. Krause's plans to sue or whatever, but the judge acquitted him of disorderly conduct last month. I still don't know if he's gotten his gun back yet though.

A question to pose is why is this story only found in obscure blogs and local WI papers? One might think a story like this is worthy of the attention of the MSM. Further evidence of why the MSM isn't worthy of my attention.
3-24-2009 1:15 AM
tommy2balmy
Great clip.
From the acquittal article-
"Really, the larger issue is not even a gun rights issue," said
organization co-founder John Pierce. "It's the issue of having a
disorderly conduct statute that is a catch-all statute for otherwise
legal behavior."
3-24-2009 2:26 AM
darkeforce
If it was in an urban setting, then yes, he needed to be arrested. That's public endangerment. In a rural setting, it's more acceptable.

But that's one less gun that criminals can get their hands on, so good job, over all.
3-24-2009 8:28 AM
dl211
If it was in an urban setting, then yes, he needed to be arrested
Right, forget about the law - arrest the SOB just because you're a gun hater - moron.
3-24-2009 6:15 PM
darkeforce
Reckless Endangerment is a law, idiot. Boy, you right-wing nutjobs just get stupider and stupider as the days pass!
3-24-2009 7:40 PM
dl211
darkeforce - you obviously can't read


If you had read the article you would have seen that it was legal for the guy to carry the gun, then after consulting with a Lt, they decided to arrest him for DC on his own property.

To arrest someone, elements of that offense must be met or you can not legally effect the arrest. Since what the man was doing was legal - you can not arrest him - period.

- what a dumbass!





3-24-2009 8:07 PM
darkeforce
Just because something is legal, it doesn't mean it isn't a threat to the public, Einstein.
3-24-2009 8:08 PM
darkeforce
Much more of a threat than people of Middle-Eastern persuasion taking pictures of American landmark, but they arrested people for that.

Honestly, you just don't think.
3-24-2009 8:51 PM
dl211
Just because something is legal, it doesn't mean it isn't a threat to the public, Einstein.
- you really should quit - it's apparent you haven't a clue as to what you're saying
3-25-2009 7:20 PM
darkeforce
You obviously have no idea how reality works. A person can be carrying a legal weapon and still be acting in an unlawful manner.
3-25-2009 9:20 PM
dl211
you need professional help
3-26-2009 7:17 PM
darkeforce
Funny. I was just thinking the same thing about you. You are too clueless to actually be living in the real world. Are you a hermit, living in a cave in Afghanistan?
3-27-2009 9:37 AM
dl211
You are too clueless to actually be living in the real world. Are you a hermit, living in a cave in Afghanistan?
Again your wit rises to the level of your IQ - somewhere around 12 I'd say.
3-27-2009 6:37 PM
darkeforce
Wrong again, idiot. Try a better insult. I have a genius IQ; obviously unlike you.
3-27-2009 7:07 PM
Rustee
The more of darkeforce's absurdities I read, the more I suspect he's either an adolescent, a troll, or both.
3-29-2009 8:23 PM
willhelm
I haven't seen a comment by dorkfarce yet that would rise to the level of adolescent.
3-30-2009 9:32 PM
darkeforce
Thus spake the person who can't rise above Kindergarten level. Okay. If you want to ply childish games; I'll play on your level.

I'm rubber and you're glue. What you say to me bounces back and sticks to you.

We can now change your name to Willhelm the Puerile Chickenhearted.
3-30-2009 10:57 PM
willhelm
You are right, dorkfarce, my comment was a cheap shot.
3-31-2009 8:35 PM
darkeforce
Thank-you. I apologies, too (even though you really didn't).

But seriously, though; you need professional help. You're got a twisted, unrealistic view of the world that is going to come back and bite you on the butt one day.

Start by turning off FoxNews. Rupert Murdoch himself has admitted, on tape, that he uses NewsCorporation to push his own political agenda.
3-31-2009 11:35 PM
willhelm
unrealistic view
To what unrealistic views are you referring?
4-1-2009 7:57 PM
darkeforce
We can start with the delusion that guns protect you from anything. They don't. Or how about the old snort about corporations only having your best interests at heart?
4-1-2009 7:58 PM
darkeforce
To clarify on guns, the chance of a gun physically blocking a bullet from hitting you, or a thrown knife from going into your eye is utterly minuscule. All guns do is escalate the violence level. This is a proven fact.
7-17-2009 11:51 AM
Support The 2nd
On April 20, 2009 The Wisconsin Attorney General issued a memorandum informing all DA's in the state that "Open Carry, in and of itself is NOT disorderly conduct."

darkeforce is correct, you can be carrying a firearm and still be disorderly, but the mere action of carrying the firearm alone is not sufficient.

darkeforce is incorrect when stating "delusion that guns protect you from anything." If the firearm does not protect, why do police carry them?

Open carry of a firearm is a silent way to inform any would be criminal, "I am able to resist." As most criminals are cowards, they will look for easy pickings and leave those who are armed alone.

darkeforce also posted no supporti...
7-17-2009 8:22 PM
darkeforce
Why do police carry guns? Certainly not for protection. A gun is exceedingly useless from blocking bullets from entering your body. Police wear body armour for protect. They carry guns for ENFORCEMENT; to force people to obey the law. Guns are only for forcing other people to do what you want. In the case of police, that is to enforce law and order in a legal manner. If you aren't doing that, then you are using your gun in an illegal manner, tying to enforce your will over someone else.

That is the one and only reason for guns. Carrying a gun is equivalent to being a public menace.

Break the delusions that guns protect you from anything, because they don't. People carrying gu...
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