 sahara says: Can anyone imagine Obama doing this? So far, I cannot, in the future, who knows. At least that's one good thing, it's no longer Bush! You are so woefully ignorant, sahara. Seriously. Neocons may be pretty nasty in a Wilsonian sort of way, but whatever theorizing may have occurred to alleviate societal breakdown, which is where we are headed, does not hold a candle to the actual handy-work and actions of progressives...Wilson, T. Roosevelt, and FDR. I'm sure the relatively sane will not be surprised by any of Obama's actions considering they generally do not live their lives in idiotic denial.  Bush remains a probable criminal. (Note I give him the benefit of innocent-until-proven-guilty, unlike what his administration gave to some folks.) Obama is cleaning up the mess from 8 years of complete incompetence, and many of the things the current crop of out-of-power conservatives bitch about most, started with their boy, George. The real killer is this... Obama will probably succeed in doing what he's trying to do. Things will get better; the right will be relegated to the dust bin, and the few bright ones that remain will become centrists. Hate isn't as much fun when you are out of power, I am betting. The right robbed the store, ruined the military, trashed the ... OH Yes! I'm missing him. I didn't agree with everything, but at least I agreed with something!!! And just to ask...what is Obama cleaning up?? Hate him? No, fear him. He is ruining our way of life, demoralizing our military and putting us in debt beyond recovery. Bush put you guys into debt. Remember how the economy tanked BEFORE the elections? He is ruining our way of life, demoralizing our military and putting us in debt beyond recovery.Seriously, you don't think Bush had already done that???!! "Demoralizing our military"? Why don't you ask these guys who demoralized our military: http://thisiswherewetakeourstand.com/?p=53 Unfortunately, Obama has not yet taken the steps to put an end to it! Cherry-picking. I know of NO military (active or retired) who supports the current President. Debt??? Check the charts & facts. Then you should be taking your own advice here, Jatfla cause you are wrong. Obama is not the cause of you failed economy. The FACT is that it was already being well documented in the media in the summer before Obama was elected... and was already bottoming out before he officially took the job in January of this year. Which media? The one stacked to see that Obama won the election? And Oh yes he is responsible for this fast-track towards economic oblivion. I know of NO military (active or retired) who supports the current President.It all is subject to who you know, so that's irrelevant, I do happen to know members of the military who support him. I always ask them why. I guess they are more hopeful than I am. As to deficit spending, both Bush and Obama are to blame, it would take an absolutely deluded individual to think Bush was conservative on spending and did not create the current economic climate. Obama is merely continuing to dig us deeper in this mess. If anyone took note of my first comment on the clip, I stated at least that is ONE thing he has going in the right direction. However I do fear that if t... I don't see the "reicht" right wing inciting hatred or calls for violence...but you are right in one respect; it's who we know and who we listen to. I believe Bush sought to build up our military and defenses (the duty of Commander-in-Chief) but was waaay wrong on illegals and soft on China. He warned about Fanny Mae & others but no one would listen. He petered out (human frailty) from the constant denigration from the MSM and was weary of the battle to maintain his ideals. The World does not march to a set of values when we go outside our borders and seek to please it. Besides...the one on top is always the one whom all delight in it's fall. Obama was not responsible for the current state of the economy, but since March, he is becoming more responsible by the day. Bush is quite responsible enough. He was one of the most pitiful leaders of the century. He was a Progressive Neocon cut in the mold of WIlson. As bad as Bush is, Obama is the real deal when it comes to fascist progressivism. So, jatfla...I think future success rests in the apolitical, the non-reactionary libertarians, the decent. Blame Bush, Blame Obama, Blame the next person who holds the office.... You are all wrong. This mess was created by 4 generations of progressivism. The only reprieve being the Reagan years. The human factor of greed may be the downfall of this country. I'm sorry you feel that way Willhelm; but I respect and value your comments. I hold Obama completely responsible for the current economical climate...because he compounded it along with a supportive Democratic-lead Congress. People often forget that Reagan raised the national debt from $700 billion to $3 trillion, but "facts are stupid things". Obama is cleaning up the mess Obama will probably succeed in doing what he's trying to do.This is the fear. The kneejerk conclusion that Obama's detractors are automatically the oppositional,media-defined Bush lovers only shows what a puppet you are and but another stooge who really has no concept of America, what it means to live in freedom, or, least of all, where it is we are heading. Most of us, I tend to believe, are not manipulated by some pre-programmed "sense" of being in or out "of power". Your outlook seems to be that of a youth playing a game where consequences are removed from any real world connotations, and [i]... it would take an absolutely deluded individual to think Bush was conservative on spendingI don't think one needs to be absolutely deluded, but if they thought that, I believe they'd be wrong. As to deficit spending, both Bush and Obama are to blame,Agree completely. Obama is not merely taking it farther, he is ramping it up several fold. And it is bigger than the both of them, as well. The think-tanks, CFR for example, the stuff Wilhelm cites are the real reasons, I think. Jatfla makes a great point on the constant bombardment of the progressive-controlled news/opinion/entertainment media. You have to admit he had the honor to take all the childish, dishonest, misleading, ill-intentioned onslaught with mostly good humor. Almost none of these people - both sides - are really honest sincere well intentioned men or women. And most of us, as spectators, have fallen into the game of supporting our side as if they were pro-wrestlers, with the same level of appreciation for bullcrap. We block out the disingenuous maneuvering of our guys, and despise with all our gut the same flaws in the other guy. |
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