By "..real science sites", I assume you are referring to those that support the evolutionary *theory*.

LOL! By enclosing theory in quotation marks I see that you're totally ignorant of what a scientific theory is. Go and educate yourself and find out what "theory" means. All you're doing now is showing that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

There are, in fact, many informed and very knowledgeable scientists who have rejected the traditional evolutionary model.

Ah, I see you must have found the Discovery Institute website. Congratulations. Check out a reputable scientific site. Of course, I realize you won't do either because that would threaten...

By "..real science sites", I assume you are referring to those that support the evolutionary *theory*.

LOL! By enclosing theory in quotation marks I see that you're totally ignorant of what a scientific theory is. Go and educate yourself and find out what "theory" means. All you're doing now is showing that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

There are, in fact, many informed and very knowledgeable scientists who have rejected the traditional evolutionary model.

Ah, I see you must have found the Discovery Institute website. Congratulations. Check out a reputable scientific site. Of course, I realize you won't do either because that would threaten your religious views. This isn't about science at all. It's about defending your religious dogma. Good luck with that!

However, with words such as "ignorant", "perverted", "bigotry" and the
over-all tone of the conversation on this clip reveal that 'hate
monger'ing is a two-way street

There is a disticnt difference between honest criticism of beliefs backed by factual argument and dogma based on faith alone. Are your beliefs beyond criticism?

not to mention the attitude of arrogance that all truth and wisdom lie here.

Well, that's your interpretation. I have yet to even come close to the religionists arrogance when it comes to knowing the whole Truth. I was talking specifically about science. Your comments alone indicated that you were ignorant of the basics of science. Ignora...

However, with words such as "ignorant", "perverted", "bigotry" and the
over-all tone of the conversation on this clip reveal that 'hate
monger'ing is a two-way street

There is a disticnt difference between honest criticism of beliefs backed by factual argument and dogma based on faith alone. Are your beliefs beyond criticism?

not to mention the attitude of arrogance that all truth and wisdom lie here.

Well, that's your interpretation. I have yet to even come close to the religionists arrogance when it comes to knowing the whole Truth. I was talking specifically about science. Your comments alone indicated that you were ignorant of the basics of science. Ignorance, in and of itself, is not a crime. I am ignorant on the bulk of string theory. Therefore I would not choose to debate or deride it without further study. Isn't that an obvious position to take?

I guess you didn't really want a discussion about the movie or it's
relevance or lack thereof; you really wanted to pontificate. Done.

I doubt very seriously if your intent was to discuss the movie. I suspect you were much more interested in defending your religious views. Who was the more dishonest?

At the source was my interest in the movie and to decide if it was, indeed, a source of 'Hate'.

From what I gather reading several reviews of this movie if you buy into the strange notion that evolution was a major cause of the Holocaust then you'll probably accept this film as a documentary. If you see through this obvious obfuscation of fact then you'll see it as the propaganda that it is. I suggest that you Google this movie + review and see what others have said before you waste your money on it. Of course, that's ultimately your choice

I am not qualified to *argue* with you about your scientific persuasions.

I read this and realized that again you're conf...

At the source was my interest in the movie and to decide if it was, indeed, a source of 'Hate'.

From what I gather reading several reviews of this movie if you buy into the strange notion that evolution was a major cause of the Holocaust then you'll probably accept this film as a documentary. If you see through this obvious obfuscation of fact then you'll see it as the propaganda that it is. I suggest that you Google this movie + review and see what others have said before you waste your money on it. Of course, that's ultimately your choice

I am not qualified to *argue* with you about your scientific persuasions.

I read this and realized that again you're confusing notions, speculations and musings with scientific knowledge. Science is based on evidence and proof, not "persuasions". Also, why place argue in quotes unless you apply a narrow definition to argue to mean a heated and mean-spirited exchange. In debate it means simply to present ideas backed up with evidence. Words do matter.

However, with words such as "ignorant", "perverted", "bigotry" and the over-all tone of the conversation on this clip reveal that 'hate monger'ing is a two-way street...not to mention the attitude of arrogance that all truth and wisdom lie here.

"Ignorance" because the entire move is a gaping lack of any real knowledge. "Creationism" and its offspring "Intelligent Design" are both devoid of any supportive proof or evidence. Both depend on simple acceptance and actively deny proof against them. Even in court it has been proven wrong.

"Perverted" because it has taken a well established science, that being evolution, and twisted into a strawman to which it can stick its pitchfo...

However, with words such as "ignorant", "perverted", "bigotry" and the over-all tone of the conversation on this clip reveal that 'hate monger'ing is a two-way street...not to mention the attitude of arrogance that all truth and wisdom lie here.

"Ignorance" because the entire move is a gaping lack of any real knowledge. "Creationism" and its offspring "Intelligent Design" are both devoid of any supportive proof or evidence. Both depend on simple acceptance and actively deny proof against them. Even in court it has been proven wrong.

"Perverted" because it has taken a well established science, that being evolution, and twisted into a strawman to which it can stick its pitchforks. Throughout the movie there is no definition for which evolution is, but plenty of attacks against it. It's easy to fear monger against a monster under the bed if you never actually describe what the monster under the bed is.

"Bigotry" because proponents of creationism and Intelligent design ignore proven facts over and over. Even you, jatfla, show an implied bigotry because you refuse to acknowledge or recognize that your ideas about evolution are very flawed. To do so begins an admission that your own beliefs may be flawed. It is the intolerance of accepting anything that differs from your own creed, belief, or opinion. Bigotry is characteristic of intolerance.

Many try to maintain a courtesy in discourse, to attempt, over and over, to explain reality, evidence, knowledge, and understanding to those that refuse to listen. Eventually it comes down to just calling a spade a spade. At some point one must point out the ignorance, bigotry, and perversion of those that refuse to accept reality.

Does that make us arrogant? I'm sure it would seem so to those that are constantly corrected for repeated mistakes, especially the same ones.

Jatfla, It has been such a common occurrence throughout biologic history that we witness the mechanics of life evolving from 'non-life'. How anyone can question Evolution is remarkable? We see it every day, right? Kidding aside..

Jatfla, the confidence in theoretical evolution is based on rigorous scientific scrutiny. There is much about evolution that is unknown and I seriously doubt those who have chosen to make themselves the representatives of Evolutionary Science and thought in these comments have the slightest concept of the arguments in this field. So, do not feel intimidated by those that bully you for your doubts. Their assurance reveals more about their will than their honesty.

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Jatfla, It has been such a common occurrence throughout biologic history that we witness the mechanics of life evolving from 'non-life'. How anyone can question Evolution is remarkable? We see it every day, right? Kidding aside..

Jatfla, the confidence in theoretical evolution is based on rigorous scientific scrutiny. There is much about evolution that is unknown and I seriously doubt those who have chosen to make themselves the representatives of Evolutionary Science and thought in these comments have the slightest concept of the arguments in this field. So, do not feel intimidated by those that bully you for your doubts. Their assurance reveals more about their will than their honesty.

Here are some interesting questions yet answered in the the field of Evolution for those that feel the need to bully you.

1. The insubstantiation of a Darwinian mechanism of evolution
2. The total failure of origin of life studies to produce a workable model
3. The inability of evolutionary mechanism to explain the origin of complex adaptations
4. The irrationality of the blind watchmaker hypothesis
5. The biological evidence that the rule in nature is morphological stability over time and not constant change.

I have not seen Stein's movie but I can imagine these might be a few of the lines of reasoning he addresses.

Sigh, another one ...

How ironic - chastised for making assumptions by someone making assumptions. Obviously no one speaking here on evolution has any real understanding of it, because it must be some magical unknowable thing that humanity is just too stupid to understand.

Or maybe, the magic like thinking of creationism and Intelligent design has effected you're rational because the "problems" you've listed have been aptly answered many times already. Ignoring those findings simply because you don't personally like them is not reason enough to discredit them. In others words just because you've put your fingers in your ears doesn't mean they are false.

Evolution is seen every day. Advan...

Sigh, another one ...

How ironic - chastised for making assumptions by someone making assumptions. Obviously no one speaking here on evolution has any real understanding of it, because it must be some magical unknowable thing that humanity is just too stupid to understand.

Or maybe, the magic like thinking of creationism and Intelligent design has effected you're rational because the "problems" you've listed have been aptly answered many times already. Ignoring those findings simply because you don't personally like them is not reason enough to discredit them. In others words just because you've put your fingers in your ears doesn't mean they are false.

Evolution is seen every day. Advanced medicine could not develop new cures without it. Any simple search will reveal many instances and examples of it. The information is out there. Quite being lazy and search!

Your points :

1) Just so's not to be unfair, tell me what word you meant because I can find no definition of "insubstantiation". I'd hate to assume ...

2)workable model? of what? help me out here. Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life. Another common misconception by those ignorant of evolution but try to argue against it. Evolution is about CHANGE not ORIGIN.

3) Referring to irreducible complexity?

4) Irrational? You talk about intelligent design, but never make mention of the unintelligent aspects of that design, like problems in the eye design, vestigial organs, extinct species who's design could not cope with a changing environment, the platypus, flightless winged birds ... the list goes on. Irrational indeed.

5) Omg, you did not just play the "2nd law of thermodynamics" card did you? Please say you didn't! The obvious answer : THE SUN! Constant renewed energy. The Earth IS NOT a closed system.