During the vietnam war, liberals were more prone to advocate violence as a response to political policies.

Actually this opposite of reality. I was of age during this era and the vast majority of violence was consistently delivered by the "establishment". Brutal treatment of peaceful protesters was common place. No doubt there were factions of protesters who advocated violence but they were an insignificant number in actuality. The press, perhaps growing tired of the peacefulness of the bulk of protesters, focused on these few and gave them much more importance than they actually warranted. And governmental pressure on both anti-war and equal rights advocates came from the ...

During the vietnam war, liberals were more prone to advocate violence as a response to political policies.

Actually this opposite of reality. I was of age during this era and the vast majority of violence was consistently delivered by the "establishment". Brutal treatment of peaceful protesters was common place. No doubt there were factions of protesters who advocated violence but they were an insignificant number in actuality. The press, perhaps growing tired of the peacefulness of the bulk of protesters, focused on these few and gave them much more importance than they actually warranted. And governmental pressure on both anti-war and equal rights advocates came from the top down. Of course there was no excuse for riots that occurred during this period but they didn't happen overnight but were the result of ordinary people being pushed beyond their breaking point. You can only beat a person so many times and eventually he will push back.

Now the right wing wants lots of guns to defend against fascism,
socialism, muslim extremism, and a whole lotta other isms they don't
like.

True. Fear is being used as a rallying cry to sway people into believing in their cause. This is a dangerous tack to take.

liberals are “free to be you and me”, and conservatives are “my way or the highway.”

You have one helluva twisted mind, deb. Just how do conservatives, primarily libertarian bent, resemble "my way or the highway", and how do progressives, who are all about re-framing the constitution with the progressive-fasist agenda, infringing on personal liberties, advancing statist policies, implementing the brownshirt tactics of it's various supporting groups..like SEIU and ACORN, Obama's alienation of the Right, forcing values that are not shared by the vast majority upon the culture, pushing through the biggest spending in American history without anyone reading it, politicisation of...

liberals are “free to be you and me”, and conservatives are “my way or the highway.”

You have one helluva twisted mind, deb. Just how do conservatives, primarily libertarian bent, resemble "my way or the highway", and how do progressives, who are all about re-framing the constitution with the progressive-fasist agenda, infringing on personal liberties, advancing statist policies, implementing the brownshirt tactics of it's various supporting groups..like SEIU and ACORN, Obama's alienation of the Right, forcing values that are not shared by the vast majority upon the culture, pushing through the biggest spending in American history without anyone reading it, politicisation of every possible issue, the coming agenda to circumvent free conservative speech, etc.... How does that represent the "free to be you and me" philosophy? The more I hear from you, deb, the more I begin to believe you have either the sincerity of a drug dealer, the open-mindedness of a zealot, or the good-faith of a jklugman.

Deb2012,
I was just about to heap praise on you for being fair with both sides for this:

"Doesn't it depend on the times, altliberal? During the vietnam war, liberals were more prone to advocate violence as a response to political policies."

That was until I read this:

"It's a given that those on the right would be more prone to violence as liberals are “free to be you and me”, and conservatives are “my way or the highway.”

Wow, I couldn't disagree with you more on that one. Maybe that's how many liberals see themselves, but the reality is that true conservatives are closer to libertarians. We want smaller government with less gov't control of our lives so people can pursue their pass...

Deb2012,
I was just about to heap praise on you for being fair with both sides for this:

"Doesn't it depend on the times, altliberal? During the vietnam war, liberals were more prone to advocate violence as a response to political policies."

That was until I read this:

"It's a given that those on the right would be more prone to violence as liberals are “free to be you and me”, and conservatives are “my way or the highway.”

Wow, I couldn't disagree with you more on that one. Maybe that's how many liberals see themselves, but the reality is that true conservatives are closer to libertarians. We want smaller government with less gov't control of our lives so people can pursue their passions without undue interference. Many who are very liberal (like Obama) want the government to control most everything and rule your life. So far, Obama has taken contol over the Auto Industry, Banks - Interfering with private contracts, He wants to take over health care, and control the energy industry with a cap and trade tax scheme.

Many of these things may be well intentioned, but the reality is a government with increasing control of our lives and higher taxes - More dependence on government and less money left over do with as you wish. Maybe you have a favorite charity that you would rather fund than see your money go to bonuses for AIG execs etc.

I am beginning to believe Obama is a Wolf in sheeps clothing... Look at this link:

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/538DD28D-4937-4805-BFB9-C420EBB78585/

I suggest clicking through the link at the top of the clipmark page to read the whole article or just googling about this topic. There are banks who want to return TARP money but the White House won't allow it. That is YOUR Money (or more accurately our kids/ grandkids money that they'll have to pay back to China.

@deb2012
I agree, I was a bit hyperbolic. There most assuredly were groups formed during the Vietnam era that were intent on using violence to achieve their ends. It would be hypocritical to deny that,

My point is, which you already addressed, is the temper of the past administration of democracy at the tip of a bayonet. We've seen the tactic of the past failed administration that relied on fear to control their followers. This has repercussions. Not to imply that all conservative are hidden psychopaths. Neither side is monolithic in its thinking. But it must be admitted that the past administration was led by a faction that relied on fear as a tool to manipulate people. Remember the mushr...

@deb2012
I agree, I was a bit hyperbolic. There most assuredly were groups formed during the Vietnam era that were intent on using violence to achieve their ends. It would be hypocritical to deny that,

My point is, which you already addressed, is the temper of the past administration of democracy at the tip of a bayonet. We've seen the tactic of the past failed administration that relied on fear to control their followers. This has repercussions. Not to imply that all conservative are hidden psychopaths. Neither side is monolithic in its thinking. But it must be admitted that the past administration was led by a faction that relied on fear as a tool to manipulate people. Remember the mushroom cloud? And their mouth pieces continue the same failed cries for intolerance and fear to further their agenda because they are stuck as to what to do next. It worked for them for 8 years, they're not about to give it up now, even if most of the country is on to their game. They are lost and scared now. They have a legacy of failure and no plan for the future. That is why I brought the political angle in. My shock was that while we have our own nutcases here in Atlanta, none were as whacho as this guy appears to be.

Yes, the time of infantile fear mongering is over. There is an adult in the White House now. After 8 years of a failed presidency and a crumbling republican party being led by a talk show host we really ought to cut them some slack. On the other hand....

BTW, the reference to brown shirts, raising taxes, ACORN, etc...yawn. Go back to Rush for some more empty lies. The rest of us will go back to trying to bail out the country from the failed policy of the previous administration.

AtLiberal,

You say the ACORN story is an empty lie?

More indictments just this week (click below for details - and I didn't get this from Rush).

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/263E49F6-1904-4FB4-9E92-B143E1E1F136/

You said:

"The rest of us will go back to trying to bail out the
country from the failed policy of the previous administration."

Do you work for the Obama Administration (It sounds like
it.) Or, is "the rest of us" just referring to all of us tax payers
who's money is spent bailing out large corporations?

We keep hearing ad nauseam about how the President inherited
the largest federal deficit in history.
That may be true, but Mr. Obama has nearly quadrupled it in a...

AtLiberal,

You say the ACORN story is an empty lie?

More indictments just this week (click below for details - and I didn't get this from Rush).

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/263E49F6-1904-4FB4-9E92-B143E1E1F136/

You said:

"The rest of us will go back to trying to bail out the
country from the failed policy of the previous administration."

Do you work for the Obama Administration (It sounds like
it.) Or, is "the rest of us" just referring to all of us tax payers
who's money is spent bailing out large corporations?

We keep hearing ad nauseam about how the President inherited
the largest federal deficit in history.
That may be true, but Mr. Obama has nearly quadrupled it in a matter of
months. (see link below)

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/DEAF74A2-EAC2-46D3-B4A3-4E580D832CDC/

Ah yes. Thanks for the clip by Fund, that bastion of Right Wing ideology and Rush collaborator.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200809300024

http://mediamatters.org/research/200810100008

http://www.americablog.com/2008/11/john-fund-has-bad-track-record-of.html

http://www.bradblog.com/?cat=393

As I said earlier, the country is moving on. I suggest you left behind 20 percenters do the same. But hey, it is a free country.

Oh, and you forgot to brin...

Ah yes. Thanks for the clip by Fund, that bastion of Right Wing ideology and Rush collaborator.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200809300024

http://mediamatters.org/research/200810100008

http://www.americablog.com/2008/11/john-fund-has-bad-track-record-of.html

http://www.bradblog.com/?cat=393

As I said earlier, the country is moving on. I suggest you left behind 20 percenters do the same. But hey, it is a free country.

Oh, and you forgot to bring up Obama's birth certificate. Or that he's really a Muslim. You guys do realize that most of the country is laughing at you.

...the vast majority of violence was consistently delivered by the "establishment". Brutal treatment of peaceful protesters was common place. No doubt there were factions of protesters who advocated violence but they were an insignificant number in actuality. The press, perhaps growing tired of the peacefulness of the bulk of protesters, focused on these few and gave them much more importance than they actually warranted. And governmental pressure on both anti-war and equal rights advocates came from the top down.

Not to mention the fact that some of the most violent clashes were instigated by the law enforcement or even by police agents infiltrated into protest groups or membe...

...the vast majority of violence was consistently delivered by the "establishment". Brutal treatment of peaceful protesters was common place. No doubt there were factions of protesters who advocated violence but they were an insignificant number in actuality. The press, perhaps growing tired of the peacefulness of the bulk of protesters, focused on these few and gave them much more importance than they actually warranted. And governmental pressure on both anti-war and equal rights advocates came from the top down.

Not to mention the fact that some of the most violent clashes were instigated by the law enforcement or even by police agents infiltrated into protest groups or members subverted into being informants.

To this day notion that the shot that started Kent State's massacre may well have been fired by an FBI provacateur still remains a question.

To this day notion that the shot that started Kent State's massacre may
well have been fired by an FBI provacateur still remains a question.

Not to mention the conspiracy theories surrounding the assassination of MLK. Though I must admit I find it a waste of time to spend too much energy on these avenues.

Billpar, I don't know know what to tell you except that I'm not going to be drawn into your little melodrama. And neither is the vast majority of the country. Conservatives hopefully will find their voice some day but it won't be the voice they've unsuccessfully used in the past. The country is changing and you can cling to your failed policies or decide to move on and sto...

To this day notion that the shot that started Kent State's massacre may
well have been fired by an FBI provacateur still remains a question.

Not to mention the conspiracy theories surrounding the assassination of MLK. Though I must admit I find it a waste of time to spend too much energy on these avenues.

Billpar, I don't know know what to tell you except that I'm not going to be drawn into your little melodrama. And neither is the vast majority of the country. Conservatives hopefully will find their voice some day but it won't be the voice they've unsuccessfully used in the past. The country is changing and you can cling to your failed policies or decide to move on and stop sounding like a group that can only offer fear, prejudice, and hatred in this multicultural world.