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10-13-2009 1:10 PM
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10-13-2009 1:47 PM
jatfla
I can not recall a time when she voted with conservatives...usually Republicans of which she claims to be one. Well, at least it doesn't effect her or hers.
10-13-2009 8:08 PM
ratilfar
Yeah, the question is, what kind of "reform" is it:

Real Reform

or

A Gift to the Insurance Companies?
10-13-2009 11:08 PM
n2sooners
Lets see. Your insurance bill will go up under this plan. You will be fined if you refuse to buy government approved insurance. You can just pay the fine if it is cheaper, then if you get sick you just go out an buy insurance since they can't refuse you, and that extra cost will be passed onto those who keep their insurance full time.

I don't think there is anything in there opening up competition across state lines or anything that would lower the cost of insurance for doctors to protect themselves against frivolous lawsuits, so it sounds to me like it would be a boon to the insurance companies.
10-13-2009 11:27 PM
ljsdesign
The Report by the insurance companies that says insurance would end up costing more is still under review, and it seems a little sketchy at this point.

Insurance companies and their stock holders aren't hurting for money, being unable to reject consumers who really need the coverage or finding loopholes to drop clients so they don't have to pay isn't going to make them broke. They just want to pass the bill to you rather than lower their own oversized paycheck.That's an issue with the insurance company, not that they have rules to play by now.

Now, I will agree allowing companies to cross over to different states sounds like a good idea, but does not fix everything.
I will also agree that...
10-14-2009 12:41 AM
n2sooners
It wasn't a report by insurance companies. It was a report by Price Waterhouse Coopers requested by America’s Health Insurance Plans. It is no more or less reliable than the CBO report since they are both based on summaries of legislation that no one has seen and no one is likely to see until it's time to vote (if then).

And insurance companies are a business not a charity. They are in business to make money. If health insurance is no longer profitable then why stay in the business? So don't fool yourself into believing any increases in the cost of doing business caused by this legislation won't be passed on to the customer.
10-14-2009 12:57 AM
ljsdesign
People and their health and the health of their families are not commodities to be bought and sold. People lives are not something that should be measure by how much money they'll make or lose for the stock holders.

Four of my children have autism. To me they are just as priceless as the other two. How much do you think those four are valued by the for profit insurance companies?
Sooner , what do you think the insurance company should see when they look at my kids? Do you think they should see living breathing human beings or dollar signs?
10-14-2009 9:59 AM
ratilfar
Yeah, then why did the accountants at Price Waterhouse came out and denounced the way the insurance companies used the study? They also did not count any savings brought on by the public option so I'm a bit suspicious about a study made by the very people that control the pricing and have in some areas virtual monopolies over their product.
10-14-2009 2:12 PM
n2sooners
People and their health and the health of their families are not commodities to be bought and sold
So you don't think doctors are worthy of being paid? You don't think insurance companies should make a profit? You don't think those who do research and development on new drugs should be able to recoup those charges? Do you feel the same way about food? Water? Housing? Transportation? Employment?

hey also did not count any savings brought on by the public option so I'm a bit suspicious
There is no public option in the Baccus version. This is the big problem, there is nothing tangible to debate, yet congress continues to vote on the intangible. And in the end th...
10-14-2009 2:32 PM
ljsdesign
The Hippocratic Oath is an oath traditionally taken by doctors swearing to ethically practice medicine:

I swear by Apollo the Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods, and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art–if they desire to learn it–without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruc...
10-14-2009 2:33 PM
ljsdesign
being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.
10-14-2009 2:59 PM
ratilfar
Also, who said doctors are not going to get paid?

And no, I don't think health insurance companies should derive a profit from the life of regular people. I believe the whole thing is a scam that should be done away with. It doesn't belong in the private sector.
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