 jakigood says: i am a seeker and lover on this spiritual inventory. "We will find God when we become God." ~Martine Rothblatt Can we become God? Just humble question... Technically speaking since he is omniscient omnipresent, and omnipotent you kind of stumble upon him with every step you take!  i agree about those 3 attributes of God, but feel it's helpful to be aware of the pathways that we, as individuals, uniquely created, connect with Him. There is another type of god in terms of philosophy like Descartes and Kant more than, say, Christ and Allah in terms of religion. The former belongs to the field of science (Wissenschaft), and the latter belongs the field of culture (Kultur), as Scholasticism failed to prove the existence of the God. Which are we believing now, and which is causing conflicts today? some people say, you don't find God, He finds you. i think some people get to God and some people just don't. there is no formula. time and chance happens. If an eternity of hell is dependent on it, why wouldn't god want everyone to know of him? Why doesn't he just show up, and answer everybody's question? Why the cloak and dagger? Wouldn't that be simple? Instead he keeps everybody killing each other over whose god is better, while each side relies on faith and feeling. (Obviously that can't be the right method or everybody would be right.) Where is this god of compassion, mercy, and love? Why doesn't he just show up, and answer everybody's question?He did. AcesLucky, your questions suggest a vast lack of knowlege about Christianity. Has your experience been with other religion or only atheism. I am not saying your questions are bad. They can lead to something wonderful if you seriously search. It seems to me you have a strong sense for reason. If that is the case there are many arguments that support a prime mover. From that point the evidence for Christianity is massive. I could be wrong, but that does not mean it is reasonable to think that I am. Why doesn't he just show up, and answer everybody's question? He did. -- But that can't be true. Because if He did, everyone would know. But there are billions of people in other religions, aren't there? So they don't know either. Even Christians don't know. They 'pretend' to know, and they call it faith. But why would anyone need faith if, as you say, "He did"? If He did, everyone would know! So, obviously he did not. And even if you think he did, 2000 years ago...what does that have to do with now? (Keep in mind that no one knew it back then either. The savior of the world and no contemporary records of anything about it? Not even the people he brought back from the dead showed... So, is your objection primarily about Christ or the existence of God? why are people so scared of hell anyway? if that's where some of them belong, then there's nothing wrong in sending them there. it does not mean you are less loved to be sent to a place you belong. you deserve it. it should not worry unbelievers at all, they don't even think it exists. it's all a big joke. everybody tries to make meaning out of life, whether atheists or non-atheists. the ones that can't, commit suicide. i just don't understand how atheists make sense out of it, i simply just don't. (i mean, that's it? that's all there is to life? no afterlife? no God? no spiritual world? that's it? no kidding, i'm just a chunk of meat!) I would argue that Heaven and Hell make life on Earth rather irrelevant. Why endure the trials of human existence if you are destined, but choice of a higher power holding judgment over you, an all knowing and omnipresent power (so he, she, it knows everything, at all times, for all time, so basically screwed!). As for been scared of Hell, well I think an eternity (or near eternity) of constant punishment and pain is kind of scary. That's why preachers and pastors rail against the impurity of Man, and ask, cajole and insist on salvation (by accepting whatever interpretation of gospel they themselves propose). If people where not scared of Hell, then many church pews would be empty! Having... What exactly is the purpose of torturing someone for eternity? Could a Devil be more cruel? Is this the god you people are worshiping as the god of love? Have any of you actually read the bible? (Or do you have it spoon fed TO YOU by a beggar every Sunday?) hell? torture? isn't that what you wanted in the first place? you should be happy with your decision. but i guess you just ignored it in the first place. it does not exist according to you, remember? have you actually read the bible? and you ignored it? just because you did not understand it? or you simply misunderstood it. I guess luminaries is of the wilhelm school of thought, those that disagree do so because they simply do not understand. As for Hell, well the Christian Bible is very ambiguous about it in part do to translations from the Greek to the vernacular. And what exactly do you mean by "isn't that what you wanted in the first place?" I know of no criminal that actually wanted to go to jail, they only went there because they where caught and punished. i dont know about this wilhelm school of thought. all i'm trying to say is this: a person will be responsible for all the decisions he makes, whether knowingly or unknowingly, out of his/her own will or just ignorance. just as ignorance of the law excuses no one. people will be held responsible for what they believe. whether they recognize truth or not is out of the question. one might feel safe to rely on logic, reasoning and science, but it is not an excuse to be ignorant of spiritual truth. many things must be taken by faith and nothing more. everybody makes decisions all the time. "isn't that what you wanted in the first place?" some people chose to ignore the idea of hell's reality... I guess luminaries is of the wilhelm school of thought, those that disagree do so because they simply do not understand.Nevermind, luminaeris. Ratilfar has a disconnect with the idea of honesty. This is his lame idea of ad hominem mixed with humor that fails because it has absolutely no basis in truth. However, given my exchanges and experience with ratilfar his comment really doesn't miss the mark as it applies to his ability to understand the meanings of words. |
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