What he is saying is, if you are not outraged at the current President and his administration then you are not a patriot. In other words...if you don't agree with me then you are not a patriot. Well that is very American of him.

I happen to think he has gone off his rocker. He has no verifiable truth for anything that his stating. It is not patriotic to just blow you top like Iaccoca is doing if you aim is to defame the President and the Congress. He obviously has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to tax breaks and he should. If he has a problem with deficits, perhaps he should tell his buddies in the COngress to stop spending so much money on UNCONSTITUTIONAL Entitlement...

What he is saying is, if you are not outraged at the current President and his administration then you are not a patriot. In other words...if you don't agree with me then you are not a patriot. Well that is very American of him.

I happen to think he has gone off his rocker. He has no verifiable truth for anything that his stating. It is not patriotic to just blow you top like Iaccoca is doing if you aim is to defame the President and the Congress. He obviously has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to tax breaks and he should. If he has a problem with deficits, perhaps he should tell his buddies in the COngress to stop spending so much money on UNCONSTITUTIONAL Entitlement programs like Social Security.

Sorry, but this idiot has my blood boiling!

No they haven't. Jeesh! No one is saying that you can't be patriotic and be against the war. You guys kept saying that. You made it up yourselves. Now there may have been someone in your life who called you unpatriotic but that surely hasn't been a Republican talking point. In fact I think that everyone went out of their way to accommodate anti-war folks.

As for your first comment, Rat. And Iaccoa's comments. Really? Why is no one in jail. Why haven't charges been filed. I'll tell you why, because you can't prove a friggin' thing. With as much hate as the left has for the President I am quite sure that if they could manage to get him impeached they would have done it already. ...

No they haven't. Jeesh! No one is saying that you can't be patriotic and be against the war. You guys kept saying that. You made it up yourselves. Now there may have been someone in your life who called you unpatriotic but that surely hasn't been a Republican talking point. In fact I think that everyone went out of their way to accommodate anti-war folks.

As for your first comment, Rat. And Iaccoa's comments. Really? Why is no one in jail. Why haven't charges been filed. I'll tell you why, because you can't prove a friggin' thing. With as much hate as the left has for the President I am quite sure that if they could manage to get him impeached they would have done it already. And what about all those lovely democrats (they have controlled the Congress for two years now) who continue to bad mouth the war effort all the while voting to continue its funding.

And here is a run-down of the last 8 years of history. The US was attacked. The US responded to those attacks in Afghanistan. They now have a democratically elected government for the first time. Also, for the first time, women are being educated in that country. In one sweeping move the US smacked down all the years on inequity and human rights violations in that country. That country now has a future that includes all members of its society.

Iraq is also free from its tyranny. No longer are the Hussein's able to run that country into the ground. TO ethnically cleanse the Kurds or the Shias or any other group of people who opposed his dictatorial rule.

After the Islamic fundament...

And here is a run-down of the last 8 years of history. The US was attacked. The US responded to those attacks in Afghanistan. They now have a democratically elected government for the first time. Also, for the first time, women are being educated in that country. In one sweeping move the US smacked down all the years on inequity and human rights violations in that country. That country now has a future that includes all members of its society.

Iraq is also free from its tyranny. No longer are the Hussein's able to run that country into the ground. TO ethnically cleanse the Kurds or the Shias or any other group of people who opposed his dictatorial rule.

After the Islamic fundamentalist joined into to create havoc in Iraq things got worse for a while. They purposefully stirred up ethnic rivalries in order to cause further chaos in Iraq and the US. They used our own media to turn the tide of the war. Then the President appointed Petraeus and got COngress to agree to allow his new strategies. The Surge has been and UNQUALIFIED success. Now, the oil is flowing the revenues are being shared by everyone and the government has opened the industry to the world's companies. The first OPEC nation to do so.

Remember, a few years ago, Sadaam was jerking around weapons inspectors, invading his neighbors, terrorizing his own people and generally making the middle east as unstable has he could. Now he is dead. His sons are dead. His government is no longer a threat. All Iraqis are able to participate and vote AND (this is astounding if you think about it) IRaq has become the first OPEC country to allow the foreign oil companies to come participate in their market.

This is what history will remember. Not who's fault it was (and it certainly wasn't the Presiden'ts) that FEMA didn't live up to its expectations during Katrina.

Women being educated "for the first time" in Afghanistan? The US has "smacked down" years of human rights violations? What???????

Iraq, free from tyranny? They are in the middle of a civil war, nobody knows how many dead (because nobody keeps track), 2 million have fled the country, 2 million more are internally displaced. Entire neighborhoods have been ethnically cleansed. Women's rights have been set back a century.

Oh, and now Iraq is "allowing" foreign oil companies to "participate" in their market? Same damn companies kicked out 30 years ago back again. Mission accomplished, indeed.

And I promise you, as someone who worked with Katrina survivors in Chicago, history wil[b]...

Women being educated "for the first time" in Afghanistan? The US has "smacked down" years of human rights violations? What???????

Iraq, free from tyranny? They are in the middle of a civil war, nobody knows how many dead (because nobody keeps track), 2 million have fled the country, 2 million more are internally displaced. Entire neighborhoods have been ethnically cleansed. Women's rights have been set back a century.

Oh, and now Iraq is "allowing" foreign oil companies to "participate" in their market? Same damn companies kicked out 30 years ago back again. Mission accomplished, indeed.

And I promise you, as someone who worked with Katrina survivors in Chicago, history will remember George Walker ("heck of a job, Brownie'") Bush's failure in those awful days in 2005.

So which idoit from the left to take on first. It is such easy pickins in here:

Ok Dulios, do you have any idea what life was like for people under the Taliban rule. I am guessing not since you refuse to acknowledge the amazing change that happened when we overthrew their despotic government.

Iraq free from the tyranny of Sadaam and his sons, last time I checked they were dead. Sounds free to me.

Surge working famously. Civil war abating. Iraqis banding together (please google anbar awakening I don't want to do your research).

Woman's rights set back a century, really. Hmm. tell that to all the women now serving in the Iraqi Parliament.

As for the heck of a job Brownie...did you k...

So which idoit from the left to take on first. It is such easy pickins in here:

Ok Dulios, do you have any idea what life was like for people under the Taliban rule. I am guessing not since you refuse to acknowledge the amazing change that happened when we overthrew their despotic government.

Iraq free from the tyranny of Sadaam and his sons, last time I checked they were dead. Sounds free to me.

Surge working famously. Civil war abating. Iraqis banding together (please google anbar awakening I don't want to do your research).

Woman's rights set back a century, really. Hmm. tell that to all the women now serving in the Iraqi Parliament.

As for the heck of a job Brownie...did you know that the President was standing with the Brown, Nagin and the Louisiana Governor when that comment was made. Did you also know that right before the comment by the President those the Mayor or NO, The Gov. of LA and the Congressman (I can't remember his name) had just finished praising FEMA and Brown for their work. TO which the President said good job Brownie. Was he supposed to just blow off the opinions of these people?

Ok Dulios, do you have any idea what life was like for people under the Taliban rule. I am guessing not since you refuse to acknowledge the amazing change that happened when we overthrew their despotic government.

Sam, I'm very familiar with life for women under the Taliban (and the Northern Alliance). I've been a supporter of RAWA for years.

The history of women in Afghanistan did not begin with the Taliban. Oh sweet irony, women enjoyed their greatest freedom under communist rule. The communist government banned the burqua and ...

Ok Dulios, do you have any idea what life was like for people under the Taliban rule. I am guessing not since you refuse to acknowledge the amazing change that happened when we overthrew their despotic government.

Sam, I'm very familiar with life for women under the Taliban (and the Northern Alliance). I've been a supporter of RAWA for years.

The history of women in Afghanistan did not begin with the Taliban. Oh sweet irony, women enjoyed their greatest freedom under communist rule. The communist government banned the burqua and forced marriages, and gave women the right to vote, run for office, get an education, and work outside the home.

We all know, of course, what happened when the fundamentalists came to power. Even with the Taliban removed from Kabul, women have not regained the rights they lost in 1992.

Karzai or Constitution or not, the women of Afghanistan continue to live with no right to education, health care, or employment outside the home. What few opportunities exist, exist in Kabul only.

The few women who have taken positions in the government or in their communities, live under constant threat. Many have been assassinated.

There has been no "amazing change" for the women of Afghanistan.

Iraq free from the tyranny of Sadaam and his sons, last time I checked they were dead. Sounds free to me.

Saddam and his sons are indeed dead, but the death of a tyrant does not bring automatic freedom. To call Iraq "free" is disingenuous at best. It is a country under foreign occupation. Would you call the US free if D.C were under foreign occupation?

Surge working famously. Civil war abating. Iraqis banding together (please google anbar awakening I don't want to do your research).

The Anbar Awakening is nothing more than a return to the tribal politics of old: Sunni sheiks and their militias (including many former insurgents) being paid by the US in mon...

Iraq free from the tyranny of Sadaam and his sons, last time I checked they were dead. Sounds free to me.

Saddam and his sons are indeed dead, but the death of a tyrant does not bring automatic freedom. To call Iraq "free" is disingenuous at best. It is a country under foreign occupation. Would you call the US free if D.C were under foreign occupation?

Surge working famously. Civil war abating. Iraqis banding together (please google anbar awakening I don't want to do your research).

The Anbar Awakening is nothing more than a return to the tribal politics of old: Sunni sheiks and their militias (including many former insurgents) being paid by the US in money and arms to drive al-Qaeda from their town. Violence continues unabated.

In April, General Petreaus and Ambassador Crocker called any progress in Iraq "fragile and reversible."

Woman's rights set back a century, really. Hmm. tell that to all the women now serving in the Iraqi Parliament.

Again, you act like women didn't exist in Iraq before you found out about them. Honor killings are on the rise. Iraqi women are being forced to wear the hijab, quit their jobs, stop driving, and remain home.

Many Iraqi women have been assassinated as well.

Article 2 of the new Iraqi Constitution establishes Islam as the state religion and fundamental source of law. Religious law never bodes well for women's rights.

I am outraged for several reasons. First wars, wars are not pretty or neat or cordial. They are dirty, cruel and costly. If the congress and media of today would have been in control in WWII we would have lost the war and Hitler and his cronies would have died of old age.

The auto industry and bank bailouts. Where in the lessons of economics does it say that a business, when lead by dim wits should not be allowed to go broke. Where does it say that a UNION MEMBER is worth more than a non union member. Any employee is worth what he produces. If a UNION MEMBER want 2 or 3 time as much per hour then they must produce 2 or 3 times or more per hour to justify their cost.
People seem to forge...

I am outraged for several reasons. First wars, wars are not pretty or neat or cordial. They are dirty, cruel and costly. If the congress and media of today would have been in control in WWII we would have lost the war and Hitler and his cronies would have died of old age.

The auto industry and bank bailouts. Where in the lessons of economics does it say that a business, when lead by dim wits should not be allowed to go broke. Where does it say that a UNION MEMBER is worth more than a non union member. Any employee is worth what he produces. If a UNION MEMBER want 2 or 3 time as much per hour then they must produce 2 or 3 times or more per hour to justify their cost.
People seem to forget that in our country it took 13 years to come together and form a government. Also during that time we did not have regilious nuts telling young men that if they killed themselves and 20 others they would have a heaven with 72 Virgins.
Everyone is entitled to have a faith, but I do not believe that any true religion grows by force, it grows by treating others with justice and being open to discussion. A lot was said about what was done to the Koran, in a discussion I was asked well how would I feel if the same thing was done to the Holy Bible? My answer was this. I would not have felt anything, because the Holy Bible is a BOOK it's teaching are in my heart and mind, and the only way you destroy that is to destroy me. Any book of faith is just that a BOOK. What you learn from that book is your faith and if you keep it in your heart and mind the only way it can be destroyed is when you are destroyed.

I have been reading about the failure of FEMA and Bush. What about the failure of the people involved. I have had to deal with blizzards, tornados, wind and hail storms. Why should I ask for help? I have two hands a mind and a strong back, because I decide to live where storms, fires, or othe disasters may occur, why should I look to other for help. Looking to others for help is like the child whose parents pay for his college education, all they see is 4 or 5 years of fun. If you don't earn what you get it has no value. If you don't replace what was lost again you don't value it. We need desperately to become once again the county that is self reliant and remember what being an American mea...

I have been reading about the failure of FEMA and Bush. What about the failure of the people involved. I have had to deal with blizzards, tornados, wind and hail storms. Why should I ask for help? I have two hands a mind and a strong back, because I decide to live where storms, fires, or othe disasters may occur, why should I look to other for help. Looking to others for help is like the child whose parents pay for his college education, all they see is 4 or 5 years of fun. If you don't earn what you get it has no value. If you don't replace what was lost again you don't value it. We need desperately to become once again the county that is self reliant and remember what being an American means. The last 4 letters of American is I CAN, I am an American and very proud to be one.

OK, then, take away your home, your money, your transportation, your job and everybody else's jobs. Close your hospitals, your city water and sanitation, shut down the electricity and the cell phones, and flood the grocery stores.

Plop you down at the Dome completely surrounded by water, with no way out and nothing for you except what you carried in on your back, no possibility of walking out, and no place to walk out to, anyway.

Now just what is it, brave one, that you're going to do for yourself? Use your credit card? Nope. Call a relative? No. Fix dinner? Not a chance. Go to a motel? No way on earth. Fly out or take the train? With what money? At what airport? How you going to...

OK, then, take away your home, your money, your transportation, your job and everybody else's jobs. Close your hospitals, your city water and sanitation, shut down the electricity and the cell phones, and flood the grocery stores.

Plop you down at the Dome completely surrounded by water, with no way out and nothing for you except what you carried in on your back, no possibility of walking out, and no place to walk out to, anyway.

Now just what is it, brave one, that you're going to do for yourself? Use your credit card? Nope. Call a relative? No. Fix dinner? Not a chance. Go to a motel? No way on earth. Fly out or take the train? With what money? At what airport? How you going to get there?

I think we who have worked hard can get to thinking we are much more self-made than we really are. We only prosper when our health is good and the things around us work - and we didn't make them, they were there when we showed up.

Where does it say that a UNION MEMBER is worth more than a non union
member. Any employee is worth what he produces. If a UNION MEMBER want
2 or 3 time as much per hour then they must produce 2 or 3 times or
more per hour to justify their cost.

From this I assume that you are willing to take whatever price someone else has determined you to be worth, without recourse or even conversation of the issue. Either you are a shill of corporatism or have very low self-esteem.

You will never catch me saying that unions have no problems, but any progressive thinker understands that unions represent the hope of the middle-class to maintain some reasonable sense of the joy of life in the...

Where does it say that a UNION MEMBER is worth more than a non union
member. Any employee is worth what he produces. If a UNION MEMBER want
2 or 3 time as much per hour then they must produce 2 or 3 times or
more per hour to justify their cost.

From this I assume that you are willing to take whatever price someone else has determined you to be worth, without recourse or even conversation of the issue. Either you are a shill of corporatism or have very low self-esteem.

You will never catch me saying that unions have no problems, but any progressive thinker understands that unions represent the hope of the middle-class to maintain some reasonable sense of the joy of life in their work, for without unions in the face of the standard company line, wage-slaves is all we are.