Good for you, masbury. There is another post about this: Who are the REAL Christians around here?, the same item, clipped by righthand and there is some good additional discussion there.

I don't want to 'double post,' by my own thoughts ran from considering T.S. Eliot, Sinclair Lewis, and Huey Long, and events like the Crusades, Religous Wars of Europe, slavery, the near and partial genocide of the Native American Indians, etc.

Why we consider it a religion of peace at all it really delusional -- except, of course, for the words and actions of Jesus himself, and/or the sometime extraordinary acts and lives of compassion and bravery by some "real," Christians.

Sometime Christian people thi...

Good for you, masbury. There is another post about this: Who are the REAL Christians around here?, the same item, clipped by righthand and there is some good additional discussion there.

I don't want to 'double post,' by my own thoughts ran from considering T.S. Eliot, Sinclair Lewis, and Huey Long, and events like the Crusades, Religous Wars of Europe, slavery, the near and partial genocide of the Native American Indians, etc.

Why we consider it a religion of peace at all it really delusional -- except, of course, for the words and actions of Jesus himself, and/or the sometime extraordinary acts and lives of compassion and bravery by some "real," Christians.

Sometime Christian people think the Old Testiment and the New Testiment are the same thing; or even that the Old Jewish Testament and the New Christian Testament are a 'continuity but --- IMHO -- nothing could be further from the truth.

Jesus said he was 'bring the sword," as far as continuity with Jewish law and authority was concerns. He didn't have Ten Commandments; He had one commandment.

He was stoning prostitutes to death; he was helping them out. See the difference?

I put the Sermon on the Mount right up there with the Declaration of Independence by Thomas Jefferson (or, the Rights of Man and other such works).

(I guess I'm a bit of a secularist). But while some wonder if we can have any moral values without religion I wonder about the alleged moral values of most 'Judeo-Christian-Islamic,' religions -- NOT to say there were not good men and good thoughts and good acts by such thinkers and those who live 'the Word,' but there are also obvious conflicts and cruelty -- and they all claim, in one way or the other, to be people of 'The Book,' or derived from the same God.

I think maybe we should 'shuck it all.' The fact is we have the same human natures (for good and bad) and we're all in the same boat. The Kingdom of God is within us, or it is no place at all.

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