 masbury says: Hiroshima mother and child Thanks masbury, may the world never forget the 'Black day'... And Nagasaki, 8 August. Remember, they weren't content to drop the one weapon of mass destruction. they seem to forget though look how the world is going now! so sad what humans do to humans! Strange, is it not, that in our daily denouncing of the bad actors who perpetrate acts of destruction on civilians, we carefully side-step the greatest instantaneous slaughter of civilians in history. 70,000 died on the spot; another 70,000 by year-end. And God only knows how many after that. Radovan Karadzic is a dilettante by comparison. 7 spams! And to think, Iran still hasn't learned what happens to those that attack the USA. If Iran attacks us, I hope we go after them with the same fervor that we went after the Japanese! You really have no qualms about killing innocent mothers and children for the sins of their government? Nor do you feel any obligation to obey US and international law? What I have no problem with is killing those that want to kill innocent Americans. Many people like this understand only one language--brute force. And if we have to send bombs over Iran to get the Ayatollah over there to understand that you don't mess with the United States, than so be it. And if innocent people die in Iran, than its better than innocent Americans dying. Sure lots of innocent people died when the two bombs were dropped. However we did not start that war, Japan did. How many lives were saved as a result of ending the war so quickly after the bombings?
Seems hard for me to beleive Americans make these types of statements. Bad ol USA, poor, poor victims.... War is hell, people die, in every war innoncents die, however what would be the alternative to war? Inslavement? Annihilation? Live at let live is a myth, it will never happen and has never happened in the history of mankind. Good clip masbury. The world truly needs more people that think the way you do. And if innocent people die in Iran, than its better than innocent Americans dying.Why? Because I would rather see others die versus any of my fellow Americans; its my nationalism. And thus the gates of Hell are opened. When one life is worth more than another, is life worth anything at all? ratifar, yes it is. All I hate to see is one person in a nation trying to kill Americans just because we are Americans. Not going after our leaders for starting wars, not going against Congress for not keeping Bush in check, but innocent people. If he doesn't want innocent people in Iran from dying, then he needs to keep his bombs where they are. So much for the culture of life. @jamesgrimes: I would be most grateful if you would post an amendment to one of your above comments. Like a few other people in the world who contribute to Clipmarks, I am not an American. During my study of World War II, I learned that Japan offered the US conditional surrender prior to the dropping of the atomic bombs, in May of 1945. What was their one condition? That they be allowed to keep their emperor. The US refused. Unconditional surrender only. The USSR had promised to join the fight against Japan no later than August 15, 1945. Drop bomb #1, the uranium bomb. Drop bomb #2, the plutonium bomb. See what the US can do, USSR? Scared yet? We don't need your help, or want your soldiers anywhere near the Pacific Theater. Japan is OURS. Japan unconditionally surrendered. The US let them keep their emperor after all. The US use of nuclear weapons had nothing to... dulios, maybe so, but that is still the fault of the Japanese Emperor and/or Japanese Air Force for sending flights over the US and bombing one of our naval yards without provocation. You mess with the US, you are going to get bombed!! We WILL win (as long as political correct civilian leaders don't get in the way of the military generals doing there jobs)!! This clip and conversation are not about the rightness or wrongness of US involvement in WWII, jamesgrimes, but about the US use of nuclear weapons on civilian populations. This clip is about remembering and honoring those killed that day in Hiroshima. that is still the fault of the Japanese Emperor and/or Japanese Air Force for sending flights over the US and bombing one of our naval yards without provocation.So is it Bush's fault when Americans die in Iraq because the US sent flights over Iraq and bombed them without provocation? One more word, for clarity's sake, about Pearl Harbor: Of course the only reason the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor was that they needed a petroleum supply from SE Asia. This would require going right by the Philippines, where US troops had been stationed since the unwarranted invasion and massacres by the US on those unfortunate islands in the Spanish-American War, about 1898. US troops had no business being there. And US troops there were defensible only when backed up by the US fleet at Pearl Harbor. The strike at Pearl Harbor, and the horrors of Corregidor and Bataan, while utterly brutal and wrong, would never have happened without the unjust, unprovoked American invasion of the Philip... History never happens in a vacuum, masbury. You're so very right. Most Americans don't know, for example, that Washington and London engineered a coup to overthrow the democratically-elected leadership of Iran in 1953. That was about oil, too. I often wonder where Iran might be today if the West had not subverted her democracy half a century ago. Smoke TNT said:Neither was necessary. Japan was and is an island nation, virtually without industrial resources. Its cities were mostly burned to the ground by US napalm bomb strikes. Its naval fleet was completely destroyed. Its leaders were meeting to discuss terms of surrender. While it's true that some leaders preferred fighting to the death, they were over-ruled by the emperor, who had had enough of seeing his people suffer. A blockade of the nation would have brought much the same result, but likely with less death. Dulios, what do you consider "without provocation"? Dulios, on Iran, that is an interesting point; but our leaders are only as good as the information they are given and the tools they have to do things with. jamesgrimes, how do you believe Iraq provoked the US? Saddam provoked the US. I still believe the non-politically correct statement made by Bush/Cheney Administration that Saddam provided land for and/or financing of the training of al-Qaeda operatives. By training the terrorists that attacked America on 9/11, he helped the operation, thus was a part of the attack. Saddam had absolutely no connection to 9/11. That has been completely and thoroughly debunked. Any connection was created by the neocons post 9/11 to justify to the American public the war they had been planning since 1998. He is proven to use dangerous gases and hard-handed punishment on his neighbors and anyone who opposes him. The US has opposed him since his invasion of Kuwait in the 90's which led to Operation Dessert Storm/Shield. He should have been taken out then, but wasn't. How is any of that a provocation to the United States? Because he goes after those he doesn't like. The intelligence agencies in several countries stated to the UN Security Council that he had WMD. We knew that he would use our force in Operation Desert Storm/Shield as his provocation to use the WMD against us. It was just a matter of time. What do you want for us to act, a mushroom cloud over major US cities? Saddam Hussein was not a threat to the safety or sovereignty of the United States. Period. It's about the oil. Period. The intelligence agencies in several countries stated to the UN Security Council that he had WMD.Actually, the UN's own inspectors concluded there was no evidence of WMD's. German intelligence was amazed that the President was claiming the evidence he had - largely from an informant that they knew to be highly suspect - was reliable. Our own CIA was insisting that the WMD evidence was not sound, but it was over-ruled by Mr. Cheney. Colin Powell was fed information by high-ups in the CIA (for his presentation to the UN) that he later found out they knew to be highly questionable intel, but had presented it to him as fact, probably under orders from Mr Cheney. The Presiden... And just this week, evidence appears to be accumulating that the President, two years after the invasion, ordered an Iraqi intel chief to write a memo in his own hand, pretending to write before the invasion, insisting that WMD and Al Qaeda were there. But Al Qaeda hated Saddam at least as much as it hated the USA - Saddam, to them, was a defector. |
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