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10-13-2009 4:55 PM
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10-13-2009 5:15 PM
ratilfar
Criminals rarely comply with the law. Hence their criminality.
10-13-2009 6:50 PM
jmatts78
Oh for crying out loud.
10-13-2009 6:56 PM
n2sooners
Good for him. As long as the UN absolutely refuses to do anything about the attacks on Israel then he should tell the UN to shove it up their biased backsides.
10-13-2009 7:14 PM
jmatts78
Never mind that Israel is the instigator of the entire conflict and continues to take over Palestine illegally in spite of every attempt to get them to stop over the decades.
10-13-2009 7:43 PM
jatfla
I say 'good' also. As Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PA lobed bombs, blew up buses and restaurants, killing and maiming with insane delight, no one said squat. All in Europe, the UN, and the Left in the US wrung their hands and poured out pity for the poor Palestinians locked in their ghettos while Egypt blocked them in also & Jordan showed disdain and bridled criticism.

Netanyahu did well in ending the farce that has been called the MidEast Peace talks for decades. The Arabs countries do not want peace with Israel...they want them gone!

Israel will be the last one standing.
10-13-2009 8:00 PM
jmatts78
I don't understand how people can continually ignore the fact that Israel have committed the most crimes as the ones who started it and the ones who continue it, even while their acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing against Palestinians are shown to the world, and that they continually mock the UN by disregarding international law completely. All the evidence is there yet people ignore it because "oh those poor jews! they were victims of the holocaust!" Nevermind that during the holocaust Israel did NOTHING to help European Jews. Nothing at all.

But I guess Arabs aren't worthy of breathing like the rest of us are? Right? Something Israel has been saying for years.
10-13-2009 8:12 PM
ratilfar
Well I'm surprised, the same people who support American war crimes also support Israeli war crimes and they always blame the victims for it.
10-13-2009 8:16 PM
jatfla
Victims among the Palestinians???? The children. :~(
10-13-2009 10:48 PM
n2sooners
Well I'm surprised, the same people who support American war crimes also support Israeli war crimes and they always blame the victims for it.
And why am I not surprised that those accusing those who think Obama's peace prize is a joke of siding with terrorists are siding with terrorists who intentionally lob bombs at civilians while hiding behind their own civilians over Israel defending itself from those terrorists.

I don't understand how people can continually ignore the fact that Israel have committed the most crimes as the ones who started it and the ones who continue it
The most crimes? Israelis aren't lobbing bombs indiscriminately into civilian populat...
10-14-2009 8:31 AM
cjartists
The issue several of you seem to be ignoring is the criminality of collective punishment. Actions committed against the Israeli jewish settlers by Hamas and the PA (Hezbollah has absolutely nothing to do with Palestinians, as they operate out of Lebanon) are certainly criminal. But instead of even attempting to search for individuals actually responsible, the Israeli government contents itself with the mass punishment of all Palestinians, which is a criminal act. The Goldstone report and subsequent UN action request are exactly the opposite, seeking to actually hold to account those who have committed war crimes.

To support a policy of collective punishment is asinine in the extreme. I ...
10-14-2009 9:17 AM
jatfla
Yes, Hezbollah operates *out of* Lebanon bombing Jewish settlements. They, in fact, have violated UN Resolution 1701, but no one pays attention to the UN anyway. Hezbollah and Hamas are being supplied with weapons from Iran via Syria. (and other places I'm sure)

As for the neighbor who has shot someone....I would report that person to the police. A more interesting idea would be what if I hid that person in my house?
10-14-2009 9:57 AM
ljsdesign
what if the police just assumed without proof that you were hiding them and bulldozed your house and your neighborhood for good measure.

Guilty until proven innocent, right?
10-14-2009 10:00 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
I agree with you, cjartist. All emotions and side-picking aside, if International Law and the ability to prosecute war crimes is to have any meaning at all, anyone who is suspected of such acts should stand trial, on both sides. How else would other would-be war criminals be deterred at all? No accused murderer can refuse to stand trial, so why should a country be able to? The law should be equal for ALL, big or small. If Netanyahu refuses to let Israel stand trial, they should be MADE to. If Israel thinks they did nothing wrong, they should stand by that, stand up in court and say so and then let the jury decide.
10-14-2009 10:04 AM
ratilfar
Would you report them if the police were in fact foreign soldiers, say Chinese, occupying your state? And even if you were hiding someone, does that justify bulldozing the entire neighborhood, leave innocent and guilty homeless so that the Chinese could then raise a gated community for themselves?

10-14-2009 10:05 AM
ratilfar
To put it bluntly:

Collective Punishment is a war crime. Which, btw, was one of the most common charges leveled against the Germans and the Japanese who had a policy of killing 10 and even 100 civilians for everyone soldier they lost.

Glad to know which side of history your on, Jafla.
10-14-2009 10:18 AM
cjartists
Yes, Hezbollah operates *out of* Lebanon bombing Jewish settlements. They, in fact, have violated UN Resolution 1701, but no one pays attention to the UN anyway. Hezbollah and Hamas are being supplied with weapons from Iran via Syria.
All factual (or close enough for the current discussion), but also completely beside the point. Nothing in that paragraph bears any reason that the Palestinian population as a whole should bear punishment for the acts of a few.
10-14-2009 10:27 AM
jatfla
You've always know that rat.

Frankly, I can see your scenario regarding an occupying force in the US occurring. "War Crimes" are a 20th century creation. While very good intentioned, they are rarely effective.

And they're not "acts of a few"; it's a war that's been declared against Israel and it began in 1948 when this UN parceled out a portion of wasteland in the then named Palestine for fleeing Jews. Even Fatah supports that goal. And show me a video (from UTube perhaps) that teaches Jewish children to attack and blow up Palestinians. How many tunnels have been dug under Gaza by the Israelis to smuggle weapons and plan for attacks inside Gaza?

As there will be no end to the conflic...
10-14-2009 10:36 AM
ratilfar
War crimes are not a 20th Century invention, the laws of war have been around for hundreds of years. And they show that certain actions are intolerable, regardless of who commits them.

You're using excuses for criminal acts based on tribal affiliations and not the acts themselves.
10-14-2009 11:27 AM
Socratoad
Sigh
As long as there are manipulative or hate filled people on both sides who insist on pointing fingers like rotten little boys in a schoolyard .... and as long as there are gullible or ideological hidebound people willing to support their favorite ego trip there will always be more and more innocent people killed.

It need not be this way, for years I thought that Northern Ireland was a hopeless cause, and Lebanon .... for although neither of these places could rightfully be perceived as the "peaceful kingdom" hundred of thousands of schoolchildren are able to attend school each day without their parents worrying about their safety
10-14-2009 1:33 PM
Socratoad
Oh, did I forget the arms profiteers supplying all sides in this horrendous blot on humanity
10-14-2009 3:28 PM
sahara
10-14-2009 3:45 PM
ColoradoRight
so let's see - a committee filled with anti-Semitic anti-Israeli United Nations thugs and sex crimes enablers wants to call what Israel does to defend itself against annihilation a crime?

Yeah - that sounds like something the Israelis would just willingly agree with.
10-14-2009 6:15 PM
jatfla
You got the description of the UN down right. It's pitifully full of corrupt, self-serving, hypocrites. As far as "international law" is concerned, when it comes to the United States, I chose our own Constitution as the standard.
10-16-2009 12:21 PM
cjartists
...anti-Semitic...
Are you just pulling terms out of space hoping one will spark an emotion in someone? Anti-semitism has nothing at all to do with the issue of how the Israeli government treats Palestinians.

You DO know that both the native Jewish population AND the native Palestinian population are both considered semitic populations, right?
10-16-2009 12:29 PM
cjartists
As far as "international law" is concerned, when it comes to the United States, I chose our own Constitution as the standard.
A pity the Constitution itself says it is not the standard, and defers that authority to the UN, since the Senate did lawfully ratify the US's consent to the UN Charter.

Article 6 of the US Constitution:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Cont...
10-17-2009 7:33 PM
arifsali
Limbaughs and Hannity don't make them read anything, they only listen!
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