Iraq Body Count??... *LOOOL*

"As the cornerstone of its work, IBC (iraqbodycount.org) counts only Iraq civilian deaths that are reported in newspapers or on television. In a nation ravaged daily by violence, it seems unlikely that every or even most individual civilian casualties would be mentioned in the media.

The staff at IBC claims fluency only in English, and as IBC states, "We have not made use of Arabic or other non English language sources, except where these have been published in English. ... It is possible that our count has excluded some victims as a result."

Furthermore, IBC's methodology ignores even English-language media reports of Iraqi civilians' deaths, unless matchi[b]...

Iraq Body Count??... *LOOOL*

"As the cornerstone of its work, IBC (iraqbodycount.org) counts only Iraq civilian deaths that are reported in newspapers or on television. In a nation ravaged daily by violence, it seems unlikely that every or even most individual civilian casualties would be mentioned in the media.

The staff at IBC claims fluency only in English, and as IBC states, "We have not made use of Arabic or other non English language sources, except where these have been published in English. ... It is possible that our count has excluded some victims as a result."

Furthermore, IBC's methodology ignores even English-language media reports of Iraqi civilians' deaths, unless matching reports of the same casualties are published by at least "two independent agencies."

It is difficult to even comprehend the hugeness of the 'blind spots' created by IBC's methodology."

http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html

Here's a little extra reading:

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/counterexplanation.html

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/DCF4E4E3-F6C2-40D2-9491-F0685329152A/

Why does every clip you pollute quickly break down to nothing more than insults and innuendo? Don't you get tired of playing the part of the half-wit? You project your own short-comings onto anyone you disagree with and never bring anything to the table other than your scathing personality.

Your tallies are those composed by the media, body for body. Do you mean to tell me you actually believe that every death is being accurately reported by the media? If its not reported its not counted.

The IBC admits that their count is an undercount due to their stringent requirement for the death to be recorded by the media

O.R.B. is only the most recent tally through survey. MIT through...

Why does every clip you pollute quickly break down to nothing more than insults and innuendo? Don't you get tired of playing the part of the half-wit? You project your own short-comings onto anyone you disagree with and never bring anything to the table other than your scathing personality.

Your tallies are those composed by the media, body for body. Do you mean to tell me you actually believe that every death is being accurately reported by the media? If its not reported its not counted.

The IBC admits that their count is an undercount due to their stringent requirement for the death to be recorded by the media

O.R.B. is only the most recent tally through survey. MIT through Lancet also did a survey and found 600k by June of 2006, and the Iraq Ministry of Health released number of half a million and is suspected to being very conservative because of politics. Even accepting half a million puts your paltry 84,000 into the blind fantasy category.

This view of IBC was based on the belief that IBC figures are extremely low due to pro-US media bias and inadequate reporting due to its heavy (though not exclusive) reliance on Western media sources, which has led some of these critics to claim IBC should be called the "Iraq Western Media Body Count". These biases and inadequacies, they claim, mean IBC's count is low by up to a factor of 10, and that it specifically minimizes the proportion of deaths caused by US forces

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Educate yourself willhelm.

True dat! Oortcloud and more so when they come cloaked in pseudo-intellectual drivel and intimating "BIG WORDS". I think he suffers from the the Goldberg Principle where in the writer engages in misdirection thus:

You can prove any thesis to be true if you make up your own definitions of words.

Followed by:

Corollary 1: Use BIG WORDS that tend to intimidate others.

Corollary 2: Talk airily about several subjects without providing any proof or facts to back it up. Those who are intimidated by corollary 1 will not delve into these secondary subjects.

Corollary 3: Accuse any critic of ignora...

True dat! Oortcloud and more so when they come cloaked in pseudo-intellectual drivel and intimating "BIG WORDS". I think he suffers from the the Goldberg Principle where in the writer engages in misdirection thus:

You can prove any thesis to be true if you make up your own definitions of words.

Followed by:

Corollary 1: Use BIG WORDS that tend to intimidate others.

Corollary 2: Talk airily about several subjects without providing any proof or facts to back it up. Those who are intimidated by corollary 1 will not delve into these secondary subjects.

Corollary 3: Accuse any critic of ignorance when they do not agree with you. Those already under the influence of 1 & 2 will run for cover when 3 is invoked.

Corollary 4: Taken from the basic concept above. Reverse all meanings. Compassion is cruelty, justice is injustice, ad nauseum. Few can stand it long enough to wade through this miasma and come out breathing on the other side.

Corollary 5: Tie everything to some unifying theory of everything. Like the dreaded M word for example. If the reader doesn't understand the connection (because they are none), badger them with 1-4.

Corollary 6: When all else fails, attack, attack and when in doubt attack some more.

Well we will just have to the look for the mass graves with the other 920,000 Iraqis. Basically the polls taken that suggest 1,000,000 have been killed really only suggest that 1,000,000 Iraqis know someone that has been killed and these surveys were taken in some of the most violent areas. So if 25 people know Joe Iraqi that lives on 222 Baghdad St., then that counts as 25 deaths. Why count actual bodies and missing people when you can make up numbers like 1 MILLION ?

But, you can be an idiot and believe 15,000 civilians a MONTH are killed if you want. It just lends itself to the fact you are so full of hatred for reality that you HOPE it to be true so you can gain some political wedge.
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Well we will just have to the look for the mass graves with the other 920,000 Iraqis. Basically the polls taken that suggest 1,000,000 have been killed really only suggest that 1,000,000 Iraqis know someone that has been killed and these surveys were taken in some of the most violent areas. So if 25 people know Joe Iraqi that lives on 222 Baghdad St., then that counts as 25 deaths. Why count actual bodies and missing people when you can make up numbers like 1 MILLION ?

But, you can be an idiot and believe 15,000 civilians a MONTH are killed if you want. It just lends itself to the fact you are so full of hatred for reality that you HOPE it to be true so you can gain some political wedge.

For me, I think 84,000 is disgusting enough. And more evidence for why we cannot leave due to the fact that 99.99% of the casualties are created by foreign invading terrorists.

I'm sorry thisnamecantbetaken, I was so flabbergasted at willhelm's lack of comprehension

Aren't we all, Oortcloud, aren't we all...
(Just call me TN btw, easier.)

One final note on willy's bizarre account of the surveying methodology:

In a country such as Iraq, where sufficient reporting mechanisms do not exist, there is a scientifically accepted way to measure demographics including death rate: a cluster survey. Cluster surveys provide reliable demographic information the wake of natural disasters, wars and famines. Cluster surveys give us the data about deaths in Darfur, accepted for example by the U.S. government as one basis for it's charge ...

I'm sorry thisnamecantbetaken, I was so flabbergasted at willhelm's lack of comprehension

Aren't we all, Oortcloud, aren't we all...
(Just call me TN btw, easier.)

One final note on willy's bizarre account of the surveying methodology:

In a country such as Iraq, where sufficient reporting mechanisms do not exist, there is a scientifically accepted way to measure demographics including death rate: a cluster survey. Cluster surveys provide reliable demographic information the wake of natural disasters, wars and famines. Cluster surveys give us the data about deaths in Darfur, accepted for example by the U.S. government as one basis for it's charge of genocide. They are used by U.N. agencies charged with disaster and famine relief.
In Iraq, there have been TWO scientifically rigorous cluster surveys conducted since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.

So who to believe? Science, the researchers at Johns Hopkins, the prestigious British polling firm Opinion Research Business, the Lancet and the UN

.... or little willy?