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8-13-2009 10:33 AM
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8-13-2009 2:27 PM
n2sooners
we face the threat of outright violence and goon rule
Yet the only violent goon activity is from Obama supporting, union goons threatening and even beating down those who dare oppose Obamacare.
8-13-2009 3:50 PM
ratilfar
Suure! Tell that to the militias.
8-13-2009 4:29 PM
n2sooners
I'm sure they know all about the union thugs.
8-13-2009 6:35 PM
ratilfar
Sure, because they know as much about American history as you do, which is to say, none at all.
8-14-2009 12:32 AM
n2sooners
Oh, that hurts so much coming from someone like you...
8-14-2009 6:19 AM
darkeforce
Yeah, yeah, it's always "Union Thugs" with you lunatics. Wallmark employees try to unionize, and suddenly, it's "Union Goons Jackbooting All Over Legitimate Business". Do you even know how totally ludicrous you sound?

The mobs are the right-wingers showing up with guns to protests to scare people into doing things their way. It's Right-Wing Talking Heads making up nonsense and trying to pass it off as reality. It's bullies shouting down constructive dialogue with nothing but noise like a bunch of demented harpies.

It is the right wing that is the Mob in this situation. You can try to claim otherwise, but we'll all be laughing at you too hard to hear you.
8-14-2009 8:20 AM
disenchantedcitizen
pop darkeforces comment.
8-14-2009 11:20 AM
n2sooners
So, the mobs are the one's exercising their first and second amendment rights and NOT those who are physically assaulting people while using racial slurs???
8-14-2009 9:18 PM
darkeforce
Hey, the Right-Wingers are the ones calling people Nazis and carrying swastikas. The people in those meeting are trying to exercise their first amendment rights by explaining their concerns to their rightfully-elected government, and the jackbooted Town Hollererz Barbarians are oppressing their right to exercise their free speech.

As for the second amendment, I think we've all had enough of the right-wing nutjobs twisting and torturing that amendment to try to suit their bloodthirsty desires. If you read the amendment — all of it — you'll see the part that the NRA doesn't want you to see, and that's the part about militias. The right to bear arms is contingent on the need for militias to pr...
8-15-2009 1:46 AM
n2sooners
Hey, the Right-Wingers are the ones calling people Nazis and carrying swastikas.
Show me one right winger doing it and I'll show you ten left wingers doing it. The recently famous Obama as Hitler poster attributed to conservative groups by the Obama media was actually put out by a left wing group. http://bit.ly/63nAP And let's not even get started on the history of the left comparing Bush to Hitler. http://bit.ly/13kMeF

And your interpretation of the second amendment doesn't jive with the English language or the supreme court. The second amendment has no language requiring you to be a militia member in order to keep and bear arms. It says the right of 'the people' not the right of 'militia members.'
8-15-2009 7:35 PM
darkeforce
No, that was put out by Rightwingers. It's all the Rightwingers that are displaying the Nazi symbology (except, perhaps, in your diseased little fantasy world; there is no reality to back you up).

You need more English lessons; read the first part of the Second Amendment again, and you'll see you're wrong. The existence of Militias are very much necessary for the provision of allowing private ownership of guns. You've been reading the NRA-bastardized version of the amendment so long that you don't even know what the real amendment says.

So sad.
8-15-2009 7:52 PM
brightlight4
So sad indeed Dark, most of the people in that country do not know the laws or anything about the lies they are being told. Having media which is manipulated means they can't tell the truth when it is staring them in the eyes. One good thing about living outside of the US is that we can contrast the news and know if what is being said is true or not.

N2 you could try reading other English media news, not just the US and you might get a few surprises. We in Europe ARE being affected by the US policies true, but I think we are far better of with our services and our Govts. than you "Free" US folk are. We also know what Democracy is all about and don't put up with as much crap as US people...
8-15-2009 11:12 PM
ratilfar
Coming from me? Wow, what a snappy comeback N2!

It was the Right that started the whole Obama is the Uber-Boogey man thing. Also I would say that in the case of Bush and what he did to the Constitution those comparisons were and are accurate, unless you are of the Nazis were leftist school of self-serving thought.
8-15-2009 11:13 PM
n2sooners
No, that was put out by Rightwingers
Directly from the LaRouche pac website.

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/11411

PDF version of the Obama poster for download from the LaRouche pac website.

http://www.larouchepac.com/files/media/obama_1.pdf

PDF version of a LaRouche pamphlet titled "Act Now To Stop Obama’s Nazi Health Plan!"

http://www.larouchepac.com/files/media/Act_NowPOST.pdf

Finally, a link to the home page, check it out yourself.

http://www.larouchepac.com/

So, who is LaRouche?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_Larouche

From the Wikipedia entry.

Since the autumn of 1979, the LaRouche movement has conducted most of its U.S. electoral activities within...
8-15-2009 11:15 PM
n2sooners
Also I would say that in the case of Bush and what he did to the Constitution those comparisons were and are accurate, unless you are of the Nazis were leftist school of self-serving thought.
Thanks, just more evidence that calling people Hitler or Nazis is much more common as a left wing practice than a right wing practice (though both do use it).
8-15-2009 11:29 PM
n2sooners
You need more English lessons; read the first part of the Second Amendment again, and you'll see you're wrong.
Check out the Supreme Court ruling overturning the DC gun ban and you will see that YOU are wrong.
8-16-2009 8:23 PM
darkeforce
LaRouche is a Right-Winger. Just because he works within the Democratic party, it doesn't mean he's Left-Wing. All but about 10% of the Democratic Party are Right-Wing. So yes, it's still Right-Wingers showing the Nazi symbols.

Too bad; so sad. You're wrong again.

And you're expecting me to believe the decision of a Right-Leaning Supreme Court decision on a constitutional issue? Hah!. Try reading the dissent of that decision, and you'll see the true constitutionality of the situation.

That twice wrong for you, n2sooners. That's quite a record of losses you're building there.
8-16-2009 8:25 PM
darkeforce
Hah! According to Wikipedia, LaRouche is a fascist. That's 100% Right Wing.

You make me laugh, n2sooners.
8-17-2009 12:20 AM
n2sooners
I can see you cackling madly at your keyboard right now. Yes, it does say he is a fascist.

In 1976 Julian Bond called LaRouche's U.S. Labor Party "a group of leftwing fascists".
Let me guess, you're gonna try to paint Julian Bond as a right-winger next.

Some more.

LaRouche says that the model he advocates is that of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
Ahhhh, that great conservative hero FDR....

During the Monica Lewinsky scandal, LaRouche mobilized his supporters in defense of Clinton. They formed a group called the "Committee to Save the Presidency", which petitioned nationwide against resignation or impeachment.
LaRouche was present in Bost...
8-17-2009 8:23 PM
darkeforce
You forgot the most important point; Identified as a Right Wing Authoritarian on the Political Compass.

Individual stunts don't determine a person's Left/Right standing. It's the complete trend of his actions. It's just like Obama; he's done some slightly Left things, but on the Political Compass he scores clearly as a Moderate Authoritarian Conservative.

I'm afraid, again, you have missed reality.
8-17-2009 8:25 PM
darkeforce
You see, Americans have no idea just what Left Wing really is. What you call "Left Wing" is really Moderate Conservative, and what Americans think is "Moderate Right Wing" is complete barking-loony Right Wing Extremism.
8-17-2009 8:44 PM
n2sooners
Ahhh, so you are so far out there to the left that you think Obama is conservative. That explains a lot. You are such an extremist that it is pointless even trying to have a discussion with you.
8-17-2009 9:08 PM
darkeforce
No, the world says Obama is conservative; you're in denial. Americans are such Right-Wing Extremists that they don't even know what Left Wing really is. America is the #1 industrialized nation for ignorance, after all.
8-17-2009 11:06 PM
ratilfar
Forget about it darkeforce, the GOP base is so far gone that anyone not with them is considered a leftist. Definitions lose all meaning when people make up their own.

What can you expect when people scream socialism at the drop of the hat like that.
8-18-2009 8:41 PM
darkeforce
And most of them don't even know what socialism is when they scream that. With Medicare, and Medicaid, and Welfare, and Federal/State/Municipal Police and Fire Fighters, the US ALREADY IS a Socialist nation. But these pathetic goobahs don't know a good thing when it kicks them in the face.
8-19-2009 2:49 AM
n2sooners
Definitions lose all meaning when people make up their own.
Which is exactly what df is doing here. When discussing American politics it makes no sense to try and drag the politics of the rest of the world into it. He knew he was losing the argument to he tried to redefine the sides. Using his argument he can blame everything that happens here on the conservatives because he believes just about everyone in the US is a conservative. But it really makes trying to have a meaningful discussion impossible and pointless.
8-19-2009 4:24 AM
brightlight4
Sorry N2 but YOU need to read more before denying that everyone in the US is conservative. At least in the ruling parties, BOTH are conservative, one more than the other but not a great deal of difference. As for police and firefighters being part of socialism.... hmmm, not too sure about that one. As far as I can see there is very, very little socialism in the US, a lot of people willing to help others, yes, but Socialism as in politics, not a lot, if there was more, there wouldn't be so many homeless, poor who need to use the free British medical services when they are in the US.
8-19-2009 11:44 AM
n2sooners
Sorry N2 but YOU need to read more before denying that everyone in the US is conservative. At least in the ruling parties, BOTH are conservative, one more than the other but not a great deal of difference.
First, you really should do some checking yourself. While people in the US are more conservative than those in Europe, there are parts of the world that are more conservative than the US. There are theocracies which are much more socially conservative than the US. On a global scale the US is right of center, but not that far right.

Second, when talking about US politics it is pointless to talk left and right or conservative and liberal on a global scale just as it would wh...
8-19-2009 12:48 PM
brightlight4
@ N2.......

Exactly who decides where the centre is then? There are European parties which are nowhere near the left and to call them left of centre is pure crap. Exactly where is the centre in the US then? Because as far as I can see, a country like the US is right of centre worldwide not just in Europe. Perhaps you could define what you understand as centre then please? I was talking about Democracies, not Theocracies, because in that case, we could also include dictatorships too and that is not what the subject was about, it was about Democracy in the US.
8-19-2009 1:45 PM
n2sooners
Exactly who decides where the centre is then?
The people decide. As the public shifts to the left, so does the center. The center is just the average for that country when discussing that country's politics. Unless the discussion is about international politics, trying to draw the line using international averages makes the discussion meaningless.

Think of it this way. Draw a line on the ground then stand with half your body on one side and half on the other. Now take a step to your right. Your left arm is now to the right of the line, does that make it a right arm in relation to your body? If someone is on the other side of that line, your left arm is to the right of their ...
8-19-2009 7:49 PM
darkeforce
No, that's not how it works. The Centre is the centre. It is the balance point between left-wing ideas and right-wing ideas; it is an absolute. It does not "drift". That's the kind of twisted mentality that lead to American politics not having a true Left, and people somehow being deluded into thinking that Moderate Conservative was "Liberal".

Not compare the US to the rest of the world? BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!! You make me laugh, n2sooners. What, do you think that the US is an island, somehow completely cut off from the rest of the world? The politics of one country affect the politics of all the other countries around it. I know that very well, because I have to pick and choose what companies I...
8-19-2009 9:28 PM
n2sooners
America is a Democratic Republic
Actually, it is a Constitutional Republic. You claim to be all knowing yet you don't even know what type of government the US is. You want to compare the US to the rest of the world, but only some of the rest of the world and not all of it. And you don't want to have any serious discussion you just want to say anyone who does anything you don't like is a right wing extremist and all the ills of the world are their fault. It's pointless even trying to have a civil discussion with you.
8-20-2009 9:35 PM
darkeforce
Pfft! I compare America to its Western Peers. Do you want me to compare it to Islamic governments like Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria? That would be an option, since America's policies are almost as backward and barbaric as those nations. You've labelled yourself a Right-Wing Extremist by supporting moves and initiatives that are radically Right-Wing. You don't like the label, then change.

The fact remains that the various political impulses are absolutes, not subjective. What's Centralism in one nation is Centralism in all nations. America is the only nation that tries to pretend that isn't true. The Right-Wing Nutjobs have been playing a con on Americans for the past 80 years, convincing t...
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