Regarding your first point on slavery. The founders recognized the evil of slavery. The fact that slavery was eventually ended in America was directly caused by the founders establishing that blacks in the South comprised only 3/5 of a person for political accounting purposes. What this did was limit the power of Southern slave holders and limited the congressional weight of the Souther representation. The Left always makes a fuss about the 3/5's issue, but it only is in keeping wiht their normal ignorance and love of totalitarian oppression.

Regarding faith and the founders, the record is blaringly clear. It is not even an issue really. Only made so by modern-day progressives. The idea of ...

Regarding your first point on slavery. The founders recognized the evil of slavery. The fact that slavery was eventually ended in America was directly caused by the founders establishing that blacks in the South comprised only 3/5 of a person for political accounting purposes. What this did was limit the power of Southern slave holders and limited the congressional weight of the Souther representation. The Left always makes a fuss about the 3/5's issue, but it only is in keeping wiht their normal ignorance and love of totalitarian oppression.

Regarding faith and the founders, the record is blaringly clear. It is not even an issue really. Only made so by modern-day progressives. The idea of 'separation' itself is not even a constitutional concept. It is a Christian concept. Even the idea of 'liberty' emeges out of the Christian religion. It exists nowhere else.

A few other points:

FACT 1 : Separation is a Christian concept, not a government
concept. You find it nowhere in the constitution. In fact it did not
exist as a government principle until 1947. It seems before that none
of the founders or early leaders suggested secular beliefs.
FACT 2: Secularism and Separation are opposing values. They
do not mean the same thing. In a secular society (ie Russia) the state
is above the Church.
FACT 3: The second amendment says nothing about what
government can do, say , or believe. Only that CONGRESS shall pass NO
LAW. It restricts congress and NO ONE else.
FACT 4: Since Secularists love the Danbury letter as “LAW”,
why do they ...

A few other points:

FACT 1 : Separation is a Christian concept, not a government
concept. You find it nowhere in the constitution. In fact it did not
exist as a government principle until 1947. It seems before that none
of the founders or early leaders suggested secular beliefs.
FACT 2: Secularism and Separation are opposing values. They
do not mean the same thing. In a secular society (ie Russia) the state
is above the Church.
FACT 3: The second amendment says nothing about what
government can do, say , or believe. Only that CONGRESS shall pass NO
LAW. It restricts congress and NO ONE else.
FACT 4: Since Secularists love the Danbury letter as “LAW”,
why do they ignore Jefferson’s later letter to Samual miller in 1808
where he wrote “the power to prescribe religious exercise, or to assume
authority in religious discipline, has been delegated to the states, as
far as it can be in any human authority.”
FACT 5: Northwest Ordinance passed by the same congress that
enacted the first amendment states this in Article III: “Religion,
morality, and knowledge are necessary to good government and shall
forever be encouraged.” This is pretty clear-cut.
FACT 6: ALL, but 3 states, invoke the name of God in their Preambles to their constitutions.
FACT 7: The SUPREME COURT ( YES the SUPREME court) opens each session with prayer.
FACT 8: The US recognizes religious holidays, but not the
religious holidays of every religion. I guess our government is a bit
biased. Also - not secular.
FACT 9: The constitution states: ” no religious test shall be
required,” which means we have freedom of religion, not secularism.
Secularism would hold no religious test to be applied.

FACT 10: Of those 55 Founding Fathers, we
know what their sworn public confessions were. Twenty-eight were
Episcopalians, eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists,
two were Lutheran, two were Dutch Reformed, two were Methodist, two
were Roman Catholic, one is unknown, and only three were deists–Williamson, Wilson, and Franklin.
FACT 11: To restrict religion would be to restrict freedom of religion. This is unconstitutional and it is the goal of Secularists.
FACT 12: The US recognizes religious holidays, but not the
religious holidays of every religion. I guess our government is a bit
biased. Also - not secular.
FACT 13: The framers intended politica...

FACT 10: Of those 55 Founding Fathers, we
know what their sworn public confessions were. Twenty-eight were
Episcopalians, eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists,
two were Lutheran, two were Dutch Reformed, two were Methodist, two
were Roman Catholic, one is unknown, and only three were deists–Williamson, Wilson, and Franklin.
FACT 11: To restrict religion would be to restrict freedom of religion. This is unconstitutional and it is the goal of Secularists.
FACT 12: The US recognizes religious holidays, but not the
religious holidays of every religion. I guess our government is a bit
biased. Also - not secular.
FACT 13: The framers intended political power to flow upward from
the people. Given that 95% of the people believe in God, how can it be
the government ( people) are secular. Your point illustrates how
secular belief would not put faith in people, rather the State.
Liberty has nothing to do with religion or secularism except that
they are in opposition. That is why the US is not Secular and it is not
Theocratic. They are both opposed to freedom and liberty.


The above points are cut and pastes from past comments I have made at Clipmarks.