 willhelm says: Patrick Henry - “It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses] “ Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” Source: October 12, 1816. The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay Thomas Jefferson - "I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus." “God who gave us life gave us liberty." - Thomas Jefferson “ It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.” - George Washington "Christianity is part of the common law" - James Wilson Yes, they were very virtuous and admirable men, not many around today especially in politics! Ron Paul is the only one who comes to mind. I have no idea, nor will I make any presumptions, as to how much you have studied our history and the patriotic men and women who ensured our freedoms that we have today, but I am sure if you open a newspaper or turn on the tv, you can see and hear the ones, everyday, who are trying to destroy them. Patrick HenryJust a note: the House of Burgesses were appointees by the King (James 1 of London) of England. We weren't even an independent nation then (July 4, 1776) remember? Anyway, he lost that debate and the rest is history. The Declaration of Independence established getting "away" from Kings and Popes, to firmly establish government by "We the people..." remember? Anyway, the same Congress, as I showed you before, specifically rejected any notion that America was founded as a Christian nation. I know you remember (Treaty of Tripoli). Plus, I asked then -- you ignored it -- to show ONE amendment to our Constitution based ... specifically rejected any notion that America was founded as a Christian nationArrticle 11 is not the all-out repudiation that you might LIKE it to be. But the fact that the Treaty passed and was signed does go to your point. They also dropped Article 11 after 8 years. Seems like another majority saw cause for going back on that inclusion. Just a note: the House of Burgesses......etc.Whatever. The point isn't about the details of who the speaker's audience was. Why denigrate THEM when Henry was the radical of the group? It doesn't go to your point. It just sounds like it might. Arrticle 11 is not the all-out repudiation that you might LIKE it to be.To quote verbatim" "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." I think that's as clear a description on the matter as any can get, since it was signed and ratified by Congress (the same founding fathers of the United States of America that we're talking about) including our first and second Presidents of these United States. If they weren't our "founding fathers" who the hell was? But never mind actual history. Let's pretend you are correct. Please, by all means, point out which amendments to our Constitution are ... @ AcesLucky: I'm applying some statistical analysis to your assertions that the Treaty of Tripoli reflects the attitude of the Founders. So far: The 1796 Congress: 6 of 40 signers of the Constitution served as either Senators or Representatives. 2 of 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence served as either Senators or Representatives. George Washington was President. The significance of the Treaty: Article VI, Section II, of the United States Constitution, states: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and Judges in every State shall be bound thereby..." The Treaty of Tripoli, was initiated by George Washington during his presidency and later signed into law by John Adams on May 26, 1797during his presidency. Article 11 of the treaty begins: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Chr[b]... This is truly a wonderful thing to see, people of diverse opinions, backgrounds, and beleifs being so passionately driven for an understanding of our founders, the constitution, and what made this the greatest country to live in! There are those today who would rather we not be aware of, or knowledgable of our rights and their origins, like those who would pass such things as the military commisions act, as I was reminded of again today, here in clipmarks! This type of back and forth go at things is not much different than what our forefathers did all those years ago! I think it is great to see all of your comments, and I have been often quite impressed by each of you who are represented in ... Very cool clipmarks thread....sometimes I just like to listen;D |
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