MIchael Moore is the lowest form of worm I have ever seen.
But that's just my opinion. Nothing moore, nothing less. ; )

Why would I even think that way? Because he has demonstrated over and over what an opportunist he really is.

Most 5th graders today (we should ask them on that show)
know that going to Cuba to 'do business' is a state department no-no and has been for years. Moore did NOT apply for permission (yes you need it) to conduct his so-called 'business' in violation of U.S. Policy. So, not only is he a law breaker but a flat out liar as well. The health crisis he is so worried about is [url=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=WHO+Global+Health+care+crisis&btnG=Goo...

MIchael Moore is the lowest form of worm I have ever seen.
But that's just my opinion. Nothing moore, nothing less. ; )

Why would I even think that way? Because he has demonstrated over and over what an opportunist he really is.

Most 5th graders today (we should ask them on that show)
know that going to Cuba to 'do business' is a state department no-no and has been for years. Moore did NOT apply for permission (yes you need it) to conduct his so-called 'business' in violation of U.S. Policy. So, not only is he a law breaker but a flat out liar as well. The health crisis he is so worried about is happening all over the WORLD not just the U.S.

Real Napster, much of what you say is true about Mr. Moore. But you are totally incorrect when you say the same problems plaguing the U.S. health care system exists all over the world. Only, the U.S. has 47,000,000 people totally uninsured and going without proper medical care. Considering we are the richest country in the world, that is nothing short of criminal. But the Republicans and conservative right-wing is so fearful of the words "National Heath Care" because it might take money of their big money donors in the Insurance and pharmaceutical industries. This is truly criminal and there is no way to say it otherwise in my opinion. The poor get sick and die and the rich get richer, ...

Real Napster, much of what you say is true about Mr. Moore. But you are totally incorrect when you say the same problems plaguing the U.S. health care system exists all over the world. Only, the U.S. has 47,000,000 people totally uninsured and going without proper medical care. Considering we are the richest country in the world, that is nothing short of criminal. But the Republicans and conservative right-wing is so fearful of the words "National Heath Care" because it might take money of their big money donors in the Insurance and pharmaceutical industries. This is truly criminal and there is no way to say it otherwise in my opinion. The poor get sick and die and the rich get richer, richer and richer, and then get tax cuts on top of it. Something is wrong with my country, and this is a very huge symptom of what it is. GREED!

Here's some numbers on Global Health care from Wikipedia:

The health care industry is one of the world's largest and fastest-growing industries.[1] Consuming over 10 percent of gross domestic product of most developed nations, health care can form an enormous part of a country's economy.[2] In 2003, health care costs paid to hospitals, physicians, nursing homes, diagnostic laboratories, pharmacies, medical device manufacturers and other components of the health care system, consumed 15.3 percent[3] of the GDP of the United States, the largest of any country in the world. For United States, the health share of gross domestic product (...

Here's some numbers on Global Health care from Wikipedia:

The health care industry is one of the world's largest and fastest-growing industries.[1] Consuming over 10 percent of gross domestic product of most developed nations, health care can form an enormous part of a country's economy.[2] In 2003, health care costs paid to hospitals, physicians, nursing homes, diagnostic laboratories, pharmacies, medical device manufacturers and other components of the health care system, consumed 15.3 percent[3] of the GDP of the United States, the largest of any country in the world. For United States, the health share of gross domestic product (GDP) is expected to hold steady in 2006 before resuming its historical upward trend, reaching 19.6 percent of GDP by 2016. [2] In 2001, for the OECD countries the average was 8.4 percent [4] with the United States (13.9%), Switzerland (10.9%), and Germany (10.7%) being the top three.
According to Health Affairs, USD$7,498 will be spent on every woman, man and child in the United States in 2007, 20 percent of all spending. Costs are projected to increase to $12,782 by 2016.[3]

As 'rich' a country as the U.S. is, we spend more per person on health care than ANY other country on the planet, and it is still not enough. Maybe its not about how much we spend vs the WAY it is spent. But I don't think Michael Moore is the one to truthfully convey that message. If anything he will take away from the seriousness of the issue with his ‘slanted view’ of the issues.

BTW- the main crux of this clip was about the "The Bushies Pre-emptively attack Michael Moore". Which as you can now see is a joke, just like Michael Moore.
I just thought people might actually want to learn about the facts ...

As 'rich' a country as the U.S. is, we spend more per person on health care than ANY other country on the planet, and it is still not enough. Maybe its not about how much we spend vs the WAY it is spent. But I don't think Michael Moore is the one to truthfully convey that message. If anything he will take away from the seriousness of the issue with his ‘slanted view’ of the issues.

BTW- the main crux of this clip was about the "The Bushies Pre-emptively attack Michael Moore". Which as you can now see is a joke, just like Michael Moore.
I just thought people might actually want to learn about the facts and figures of the health care costs and issues around the world, since I was challenged on the validity of that.

Real Napster, again, sorry, but what does per capita expenditure have to do with the number of people who go without health care due to the inaccessibility of insurance? It's an average, right?

Yes. I guess I was trying (in vain apparently) to show clipusers here the folly of someone like Michael Moore trying to champion an issue such as national health care costs. The breakdowns on the Wiki link show what is spent per capita as of 2005, but also what is projected later, as you will see, its substantially higher.

If 47 million people are truly without any health insurance now, and we are spending that much already, think of what the costs would be by adding those a...

Real Napster, again, sorry, but what does per capita expenditure have to do with the number of people who go without health care due to the inaccessibility of insurance? It's an average, right?

Yes. I guess I was trying (in vain apparently) to show clipusers here the folly of someone like Michael Moore trying to champion an issue such as national health care costs. The breakdowns on the Wiki link show what is spent per capita as of 2005, but also what is projected later, as you will see, its substantially higher.

If 47 million people are truly without any health insurance now, and we are spending that much already, think of what the costs would be by adding those additonal 47 mill people. Again, the point I was trying to reinforce with my earlier link was not that of spending more, but by spending it correctly. National health care would NOT be required if all the corruption, greed and waste were removed from the current systems. Just don't ask me to watch Michael Moore spout off about anytihng else or I WILL be Ill.

Well Real Napster, as I said previously, I do NOT admire everything Michael Moore does, although there are times when I do agree with him.

As far as spending health care dollars more wisely, I couldn't agree with you more. However, as long as the pharmaceutical and insurance etc industries are permitted to contribute as much as they do to campaigns and to lobby as forcefully as they do and actually buy their way into the pocketbooks of Americans, the waste will not disappear to a large enough extent. This is why I believe Canada did the right think a few decades ago when they brought in national health care. Take the corruption and vote buying out of the system and then we will see some ch...

Well Real Napster, as I said previously, I do NOT admire everything Michael Moore does, although there are times when I do agree with him.

As far as spending health care dollars more wisely, I couldn't agree with you more. However, as long as the pharmaceutical and insurance etc industries are permitted to contribute as much as they do to campaigns and to lobby as forcefully as they do and actually buy their way into the pocketbooks of Americans, the waste will not disappear to a large enough extent. This is why I believe Canada did the right think a few decades ago when they brought in national health care. Take the corruption and vote buying out of the system and then we will see some changes. This is what they have done in Canada as well as just about every other Western country. Sure, there are problems. No system will ever be 100% perfect. But it does work, and everyone has the same level of excellent care without having to worry about being able to afford it, or the premiums they need to pay for insurance. Without the introduction of a form of national health care in the U.S. this situation will continue to worsen.

I really want to tell you that I am very grateful to you for taking the time to comment on my clip. We can all learn something from each other, even when we disagree.

Hello mnicholson2, and welcome to Clipmarks. I am flattered and pleased to note that you are following my clips. I certainly do not expect you to agree with me all the time. Hell, I don't even agree with me all the time.

The U.S. has made the bottom line the be all and end all of the health care industry. Patient care and preventive medicine are simply something they have to put up with in order to achieve their primary goal of making gazillions of dollars. As long as big business is permitted to heavily lobby capitol hill and contribute tons of money to political campaigns, neither party is going to really do anything to being universal health care to the country. Several years ago,...

Hello mnicholson2, and welcome to Clipmarks. I am flattered and pleased to note that you are following my clips. I certainly do not expect you to agree with me all the time. Hell, I don't even agree with me all the time.

The U.S. has made the bottom line the be all and end all of the health care industry. Patient care and preventive medicine are simply something they have to put up with in order to achieve their primary goal of making gazillions of dollars. As long as big business is permitted to heavily lobby capitol hill and contribute tons of money to political campaigns, neither party is going to really do anything to being universal health care to the country. Several years ago, Canada banned corporate donations to political campaigns and it is nothing short of amazing to see the changes that have occurred in the system since then, The people have much more of a direct influence on the government, which is, of course, a good thing.

As a Canadian, I can tell you our system is far from perfect, However, it does allow any Canadian equal access to health care they need. Not everything is covered (certain elective surgeries, some prescription drugs that aren't yet main-stream, etc).

Some of the issues we suffer from are as a result of the American system. You see in Canada, where we have national health care, most of our doctors are paid by the government, are paid based on skill, education, years of service, etc. However, many of our new and most promising doctors/surgeons/researchers go to the states where they can make much more. In a nationalized system, there's little issue with the rich hospitals getting the best...

As a Canadian, I can tell you our system is far from perfect, However, it does allow any Canadian equal access to health care they need. Not everything is covered (certain elective surgeries, some prescription drugs that aren't yet main-stream, etc).

Some of the issues we suffer from are as a result of the American system. You see in Canada, where we have national health care, most of our doctors are paid by the government, are paid based on skill, education, years of service, etc. However, many of our new and most promising doctors/surgeons/researchers go to the states where they can make much more. In a nationalized system, there's little issue with the rich hospitals getting the best doctors & poor hospitals getting doctors that barely passed their exams. Yes there are other things that might entice a doctor to one part of our country over another, but it usually isn't all about money (however, there is a discrepancy in the amount doctors are paid from province to province, but it is usually supposed to be based on cost of living).

Our drug system is also superior (which is why many Americans buy their drugs from Canadian pharmacies). It is deplorable that the US System allows drugs that are NEEDED to cost soo much that only the vastly wealthy or insured (ie: wealthy) can afford them.

As for Moor's film. I'll judge it when I see it. However, think this non-sense about Cuba is BS. The situation is a stupid cluster-fuck created decades ago... Get the hell over it. Americans can freely travel to Iraq, Iran, (I think North Korea.. if they could get in), but they can't travel to Cuba? FUCKING RETARDED.

However, if Moore did break the law, then he should be held accountable, but I think he should fight it & if he does, he'll probably have a good chance at winning/getting a suspended sentance.