By the way eric, I have been banned from many American websites,,
because they don't want to listen to the other side point of view.

Based on your comments and the manner in which you present your point of view... I'd say being banned from websites has very little to do with users/admins disagreeing with your perspective and more to do with you posting inflammatory, incorrect and sometimes hateful information.

Such as...
http://stage.clipmarks.com/clipmark/6E6BDE33-1C8D-4957-8CE3-09AC4B462773/

I think diversity is healthy, exciting and necessary to the continued health, prosperity and very existence of humanity. And I believe there are many ways to look at and solve the pr...

By the way eric, I have been banned from many American websites,,
because they don't want to listen to the other side point of view.

Based on your comments and the manner in which you present your point of view... I'd say being banned from websites has very little to do with users/admins disagreeing with your perspective and more to do with you posting inflammatory, incorrect and sometimes hateful information.

Such as...
http://stage.clipmarks.com/clipmark/6E6BDE33-1C8D-4957-8CE3-09AC4B462773/

I think diversity is healthy, exciting and necessary to the continued health, prosperity and very existence of humanity. And I believe there are many ways to look at and solve the problems gripping our tiny fragile planet.

But after reading clips such as the one I linked above I can honestly say that, "if you aren't part of the global, varied, multicultural solution.... you are part of the problem."

knslyr,,

so saying that someone will PAY the price of killing innocent children is inflamottary?!
Interesting, you (americans) have been nagging the whole world about 9/11 and saying almost daily that the responsible will pay the price.. and you had no problem with that?

That's actually a clear example of how you minds have been brainwashed by the media.

willhelm,
I can show the threads and replies I posted in one of the those forums. Most forums have full-time Israeli or jews defendant to make sure nothing bad is said about Israel, and they do all they can to stop anybody who would take the other side. Actualy it is less probable to get banned if I creticise the US compared to saying any...

knslyr,,

so saying that someone will PAY the price of killing innocent children is inflamottary?!
Interesting, you (americans) have been nagging the whole world about 9/11 and saying almost daily that the responsible will pay the price.. and you had no problem with that?

That's actually a clear example of how you minds have been brainwashed by the media.

willhelm,
I can show the threads and replies I posted in one of the those forums. Most forums have full-time Israeli or jews defendant to make sure nothing bad is said about Israel, and they do all they can to stop anybody who would take the other side. Actualy it is less probable to get banned if I creticise the US compared to saying anything negative about Israel,,

The vast majority of the people in the west especially america,, are either Blinded or totally Biased.

essamz concluded that:

The vast majority of the people in the west especially america,, are either Blinded or totally Biased.

Cute observation... did you come up with that one out of the blue or
actually spoke with 'majority of the people in the west' to have such a
'profound' and 'accurate' description?

This little comment of yours only proves one thing - you don't have a clue what the West is about or what it believes and why!

We may not understand you... but that's intentional, we don't want to
'understand' why treating women as dirt is right or why beheading
someone grabbed from the street is just or why sending your child to
blow up himself and a bunch of innoce...

essamz concluded that:

The vast majority of the people in the west especially america,, are either Blinded or totally Biased.

Cute observation... did you come up with that one out of the blue or
actually spoke with 'majority of the people in the west' to have such a
'profound' and 'accurate' description?

This little comment of yours only proves one thing - you don't have a clue what the West is about or what it believes and why!

We may not understand you... but that's intentional, we don't want to
'understand' why treating women as dirt is right or why beheading
someone grabbed from the street is just or why sending your child to
blow up himself and a bunch of innocent people around him should be
something to strive for in life. You think all of the above are
right - we DON'T!

You want to continue to live as if the last 500 years of civilization
didn't occur - fine... but don't screw with us... or pay the
consequences.

so saying that someone will PAY the price of killing innocent children is inflamottary?!

See, this is your problem.

Yes, your language and capitalization is inflammatory.

Rather than say "Someone will be held accountable," or that "So-and-so will be responsible for their actions," you decide to personally address the title of your clip with "You."

Not "them" or "those responsible" or even "Israel." You actually say "You." That's very aggressive and personal to anyone reading the clip. You have made the reader the object of the statement. Next you emphasize the word "PAY." This implies (or at least I'm inferring) that those responsible won't just be held ...

so saying that someone will PAY the price of killing innocent children is inflamottary?!

See, this is your problem.

Yes, your language and capitalization is inflammatory.

Rather than say "Someone will be held accountable," or that "So-and-so will be responsible for their actions," you decide to personally address the title of your clip with "You."

Not "them" or "those responsible" or even "Israel." You actually say "You." That's very aggressive and personal to anyone reading the clip. You have made the reader the object of the statement. Next you emphasize the word "PAY." This implies (or at least I'm inferring) that those responsible won't just be held accountable or be forced to make restitution... but that they will SUFFER.

Now let's look at your "non-inflammatory" comment following this cleverly titled clip:

I swear to GOD. You will pay the price.

Again, you begin with a personal pronoun "I," meaning that "you personally" are swearing to "GOD" that "they will pay the price."

One might now infer that you have personally taken up the jihad and plan assist in helping the infidel "pay the price" of their actions.

Interesting, you (americans) have been nagging the whole world about 9/11 and saying almost daily that the responsible will pay the price.. and you had no problem with that?

Now you are putting words in MY mouth. I never said "those responsible will pay the price." I haven't been nagging the world about 9/11. I don't remember you calling me at home or sending me an email asking me about these things.

These claims are just more of your hyperbole and dangerous propaganda.

Your post referenced above is NOT the way to healing the middle east conflicts OR helping the world to realize we are "human beings" first. Your comments only serve to fan the flames of dissent and violence.

Again, if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

The vast majority of the people in the west especially america,, are either Blinded or totally Biased.

Essamz, I am sure it is not a vast majority. However, I am certain it is a vast majority that disagree with you and that is why you think it so. We have a lot of sources of news in the US, and it is true there are those that have no respect for truth. However, your comments are hardly meaningful coming from someone expopsed to a region where ideas and opinions are not really cared for. It is true there are a lot of grossly ignorant and hate-consumed people in this country. However, those supporting the war against terrorism and islamo-fascism are generally not among them. I ...

The vast majority of the people in the west especially america,, are either Blinded or totally Biased.

Essamz, I am sure it is not a vast majority. However, I am certain it is a vast majority that disagree with you and that is why you think it so. We have a lot of sources of news in the US, and it is true there are those that have no respect for truth. However, your comments are hardly meaningful coming from someone expopsed to a region where ideas and opinions are not really cared for. It is true there are a lot of grossly ignorant and hate-consumed people in this country. However, those supporting the war against terrorism and islamo-fascism are generally not among them. I am also sure you are right: America will pay. America always does pay and is willing to pay.

May I please add few bits? I think our (Americans) tolerance level has gone down after 9/11, and naturally so I believe. I am not surprised that essamz has been banned from various board because he's probably speaking his mind and what he has in his mind is mostly anti-american propaganda from those who have been watching American history and foreign policy for a while. The policy and history is correct or not is another debate, but there is one thing we all need to realize, and this realization is black and white, no grey: America's current affaris have divided the world into two portions, and both of these portions sees the world differently from each other. Both of them are not willin...

May I please add few bits? I think our (Americans) tolerance level has gone down after 9/11, and naturally so I believe. I am not surprised that essamz has been banned from various board because he's probably speaking his mind and what he has in his mind is mostly anti-american propaganda from those who have been watching American history and foreign policy for a while. The policy and history is correct or not is another debate, but there is one thing we all need to realize, and this realization is black and white, no grey: America's current affaris have divided the world into two portions, and both of these portions sees the world differently from each other. Both of them are not willing to understand each other and both of them sees the future of this world differently.

I know I'm not adding much above, but I like to see things from the middle keeping my biases with open mind (we're all biased, whether you like to accept or not). My criteria is to look at the other side for a window of opportunity to understand the other, but also make them understand me as well with humility. If I don't see that window of opportunity then I prefer to move forward as life is too short to hang on to your egos for long time.

hmmm,,

not sure where to start.. lets start with Mr. RS..

RS...

What is the No. 1 Radio program in the US?.. answer.. Rush Limbaugh (I'm 100% sure u're one of the listeners)
What is the No. 1 Cable TV show in the US? .. answer.. O'Reilly .. fox.. !!

I listen to rush limbaugh on daily basis, and I've been watching O'Reilly almost daily when I was in the US (I got my degree from there)..
Of course I watch and listen to those shows to: 1- Laugh... 2- Find out how stupid the human being can be.

So RS,, I don't HAVE to SPEAK with the majority of the ppl, But, fortuantely there are stats that says what those ppl are watching! and what they are watching proves that they are: 1- stupid.. or 2-...

hmmm,,

not sure where to start.. lets start with Mr. RS..

RS...

What is the No. 1 Radio program in the US?.. answer.. Rush Limbaugh (I'm 100% sure u're one of the listeners)
What is the No. 1 Cable TV show in the US? .. answer.. O'Reilly .. fox.. !!

I listen to rush limbaugh on daily basis, and I've been watching O'Reilly almost daily when I was in the US (I got my degree from there)..
Of course I watch and listen to those shows to: 1- Laugh... 2- Find out how stupid the human being can be.

So RS,, I don't HAVE to SPEAK with the majority of the ppl, But, fortuantely there are stats that says what those ppl are watching! and what they are watching proves that they are: 1- stupid.. or 2- blinded , 3- Racist,biased.

That's cute? isn't it?

As for understanding the west,, I speak, read your language, spent years in your country, read your news and monitor what the people say! I'm sure I'm way ahead compared to you in understanding the OTHER SIDE.

as for the BS that you are saying about our culture.. I don't have to reply on each point because your goal is divert the discussion. But just for the women part, our Prophet Mohammed has been asked who's the most important person? he replied: Your Mother, then Your Mother, then Your Mother, then Your Father. And he also has saying "The best of you is the whoever treat his wife best"....
You know who treats women as DIRT? its the one you put her body all over the place,, naked.. stripping,, porno.. the one he treats women as dirt is the one who uses her soul for his own interest.. and I'm sure you know what I mean.

I will you (civilization) to you. The problem is, many of you (Americans) are waiting for Armagedon!! to wipe out this civilization.. so why bother!?

regards.

@essamz...

Sounds like you listen to Rush a heck of a lot more than I do from your description.

If you listen to the shows to "laugh" and "see how stupid people can be"... if you already know it's "stupid" - listening to it for hours daily doesn't sound very smart to me... sounds like a major waste of time for you.

Of course you're free to have an opinion, since you got your education here - you know how things work here... but if you had any logic anywhere up there above those shoulders of yours - you'd also ponder that there might be another reason why millions listen to those 2 guys... Now if you had the same audience based on your beliefs and views - I'd say good for you and your opi...

@essamz...

Sounds like you listen to Rush a heck of a lot more than I do from your description.

If you listen to the shows to "laugh" and "see how stupid people can be"... if you already know it's "stupid" - listening to it for hours daily doesn't sound very smart to me... sounds like a major waste of time for you.

Of course you're free to have an opinion, since you got your education here - you know how things work here... but if you had any logic anywhere up there above those shoulders of yours - you'd also ponder that there might be another reason why millions listen to those 2 guys... Now if you had the same audience based on your beliefs and views - I'd say good for you and your opinion is worth something. Since it's reasonably safe to assume that you don't - I'd say you're not as smart as you think you are, certainly not anywhere near as smart as Rush or O'reilly, otherwise logic would dictate that you would have as big a following... so you're full of it, but... have every right to be

I'm certainly not a proponent of porn by any stretch, but it's silly of you to bring this up when comparing how women are treated and live in your part of the world compared to the USA. Since you've been here - you certainly should've seen what kind of jobs women hold (ever hear of Ms. Fiorina, ex-CEO of HP - do you have ANY women that have a position of similar level and importance?) We have women that go in space, do you? We have women senators, do you? Lawyers, writers, and of course mothers and daughters as well. And yes, there are some women who choose professions that aren't exactly of high moral standards, but we don't stone them to death like some 'societies' do for committing adultery. They're free to do what they choose. Women still don't have the same level of presence as men do when it comes to power and money, but you can't honestly compare how women are treated here and in your neck of the world.

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highly educated essamz stated:

I will you (civilization) to you.

If that's the kind of English you were taught here - you went to the wrong school, since the above makes no sense. If you're trying to imply that your civilization stopped a few hundred years ago and our continued - you'd be right. If you're trying to look at the level of quality of life and opportunity that was achieved by this country, compared to ANY country in your neck of the woods - the variance is too great to contemplate. You want to stick to comrade Mohammed and his teachings - that your business. But I've lived with other comrades that preached the same approach - you're either with ...

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highly educated essamz stated:

I will you (civilization) to you.

If that's the kind of English you were taught here - you went to the wrong school, since the above makes no sense. If you're trying to imply that your civilization stopped a few hundred years ago and our continued - you'd be right. If you're trying to look at the level of quality of life and opportunity that was achieved by this country, compared to ANY country in your neck of the woods - the variance is too great to contemplate. You want to stick to comrade Mohammed and his teachings - that your business. But I've lived with other comrades that preached the same approach - you're either with us or you're dead... not a very flexible approach to life, doesn't work very well in practice with most normal, thinking crowd.

Finally, as for "many Americans waiting for armageddon"... perhaps if you were talking about the sequal to the movie - you might be somewhat right, but since you're not - you're simply showing your ignorance on the subject. You may have studied here, but if that's your impression of Americans - you have no clue.

You people did some great stuff in the past - invented numbers, chess - very admirable accomplishments... but you stopped and think that terrorism is somehow your next accomplishment - stupid and useless invention. And I'm not referring to all muslims here, just you and the ones like you. We had an idiot walk to an office a few days ago and kill a woman as his way to solve the Middle East crisis. I have zero sympathy for the man, regardless of his reasons, and sincerely hope he gets the death penalty for killing a woman and injuring 5 others... but I do respect 2 muslim women who came to the temple after the fact to offer their condolences and prayers. So, there are some decent people among the muslims - you should learn a few things from them, since they pray to the same G*d you supposedly do.

essamz mission statement:

And yes.. I personally would advocate myself to support Jihad at least
financially. Which is fighting occupiers who are raping our children
and killing our elders (US in Iraq ,, and Israel in Palestine and
Lebanon).

What is this 'at least financially' bull? You don't sound like a real jihdist... how about slapping some C4 on the old manhood and taking a shot at the virgins? Or your US education prevents you from entering martyrdom?

First, it seems to me, you should disown anything American, if you truly feel the way you do... i.e. dump your American-invented computer connected to American-invented Internet, running American-invented O/S and softw...

essamz mission statement:

And yes.. I personally would advocate myself to support Jihad at least
financially. Which is fighting occupiers who are raping our children
and killing our elders (US in Iraq ,, and Israel in Palestine and
Lebanon).

What is this 'at least financially' bull? You don't sound like a real jihdist... how about slapping some C4 on the old manhood and taking a shot at the virgins? Or your US education prevents you from entering martyrdom?

First, it seems to me, you should disown anything American, if you truly feel the way you do... i.e. dump your American-invented computer connected to American-invented Internet, running American-invented O/S and software and writing your whatever it is you're writing on American-invented Clipmarks. That would be a good first step. right back at ya...

RS,

So you do listen to the pain killer addict as I expected! ..

you'd also ponder that there might be another reason why millions listen to those 2 guys

Actually I do know why they listen to him... they are the other 87% polled in this survey

"The society survey found that only about one in seven -- 13 percent -- of Americans between the age of 18 and 24, the prime age for military warriors, could find Iraq. The score was the same for Iran, an Iraqi neighbor."
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/

Since you've been here - you certainly should've seen what kind of jobs women hold (ever hear of Ms. Fiorina, ex-CEO of HP - do you ha...

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RS,

So you do listen to the pain killer addict as I expected! ..

you'd also ponder that there might be another reason why millions listen to those 2 guys

Actually I do know why they listen to him... they are the other 87% polled in this survey

"The society survey found that only about one in seven -- 13 percent -- of Americans between the age of 18 and 24, the prime age for military warriors, could find Iraq. The score was the same for Iran, an Iraqi neighbor."
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/

Since you've been here - you certainly should've seen what kind of jobs women hold (ever hear of Ms. Fiorina, ex-CEO of HP - do you have ANY women that have a position of similar level and importance?

Yes we do.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/11/TVR4.html
(The most powerful women)
#97 Lubna Olayan
Chief executive, Olayan Financing
Saudi Arabia
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/11/TVR4.html

We have women that go in space, do you?

I just love this question we don't have MEN that go in space..


Using your logic,, I should ask you (We have women who became presidents in Islamic countries, do you?

Having said that.. it is true that part of our culture that the main role of women is to rasie its children. That doesn't mean they are treated lower, and that they shouldn't work.. Motherhood is one of most important roles in life. And noboy can do it as good as a woman.

there are some women who choose professions that aren't exactly of high moral standards

You missed the point. I'm not blaming the women who would chose this profession. Actually many of them are forced for financial reason or another to work on this dirt job. The blame is on the people who (trade) and (buy) this service. The blame goes to the ones who go to STRIPTEASE clubs.. and buy porno movies and magazines. Can you tell me what the percentage of Americans who either go to Striptease clubs or buy porno movies or magazines? if its not 100% , it will 99%. Everyone who goes and pay money to see the body of a woman is practically treating her as DIRT , and object of plea...

there are some women who choose professions that aren't exactly of high moral standards

You missed the point. I'm not blaming the women who would chose this profession. Actually many of them are forced for financial reason or another to work on this dirt job. The blame is on the people who (trade) and (buy) this service. The blame goes to the ones who go to STRIPTEASE clubs.. and buy porno movies and magazines. Can you tell me what the percentage of Americans who either go to Striptease clubs or buy porno movies or magazines? if its not 100% , it will 99%. Everyone who goes and pay money to see the body of a woman is practically treating her as DIRT , and object of pleasure ... The ones who are treating women as dirt are the ones who wait for girl to get drunk to get advantage of her.. don't you agree with me? you are a conservative I believe I'm sure you do agree..

Finally, as for "many Americans waiting for armageddon"... perhaps if you were talking about the sequal to the movie - you might be somewhat right, but since you're not - you're simply showing your ignorance on the subject. You may have studied here, but if that's your impression of Americans - you have no clue

Are you actually saying that not "Many" Americans are waiting for Armageddon? or I understood you wrong? (I assume you know the difference between many and most).

but you stopped and think that terrorism is somehow your next accomplishment

Yes, we stopped advancing. True.. and we are trying to revert it now. First, get our lands back, get rid of our ...

Finally, as for "many Americans waiting for armageddon"... perhaps if you were talking about the sequal to the movie - you might be somewhat right, but since you're not - you're simply showing your ignorance on the subject. You may have studied here, but if that's your impression of Americans - you have no clue

Are you actually saying that not "Many" Americans are waiting for Armageddon? or I understood you wrong? (I assume you know the difference between many and most).

but you stopped and think that terrorism is somehow your next accomplishment

Yes, we stopped advancing. True.. and we are trying to revert it now. First, get our lands back, get rid of our tyrant leaders, stop the west control on our interest. Then we can freely improve our countries by having real democtractic ruling where the best only are given the authority.

You, in america, got your independence after fierce fighting and wars, didn't you? wasn't that important to have a country that can actually excel?

@essamz,

Ok, so you found 1 woman in no 97 on the list, how does that compare to Americans?

You want to say that American education system sucks on the lower level - I grant you that. However, I still want to point out the quality of life built by Americans and yours - big difference. Most of USSR population could easily point Iran and Iraq on the map... that however didn't do much in their daily lives... which included standing for hours in line to get a few cucumbers or few rolls of toilet paper. Don't get me wrong - I'm certainly pro-education... but before you knock Americans - let's look at the overall result of accomplishments... what these people did here, how fast and how well, ...

@essamz,

Ok, so you found 1 woman in no 97 on the list, how does that compare to Americans?

You want to say that American education system sucks on the lower level - I grant you that. However, I still want to point out the quality of life built by Americans and yours - big difference. Most of USSR population could easily point Iran and Iraq on the map... that however didn't do much in their daily lives... which included standing for hours in line to get a few cucumbers or few rolls of toilet paper. Don't get me wrong - I'm certainly pro-education... but before you knock Americans - let's look at the overall result of accomplishments... what these people did here, how fast and how well, despite the crappy K-12 education.

Going back to women - you're barking up the wrong tree... there is no comparison of opportunities and treatment of women in the west and in your areas. As for striptease etc. - let's not shift the blame anywhere - if a woman wants to do a porno flick - that's her perogative and that's her responsibility, it has nothing to do with anyone else.

And I'll grant you another one - we don't have "women who became presidents of islamic countries", just as you indicated.

If you truly want to 'advance' and follow the path to good life - you don't have to fight fierce wars like America did - simply cut your terrorist crap as the first order of business, do get rid of your tyrant leaders and forget about worrying about the West. You should be thanking the West for providing you with all of this money... otherwise you'd be eating sand (due to lack of advancement as both of us pointed out). Use that money for real advancement. The West couldn't care less about your territories or changing your way of life... live how you want to live... but again, you start screwing around trying to push your agenda on the West - you'll see the consequences and they won't be pleasant... again because the West DID advance.