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7-16-2008 7:16 PM248 views
sillysam says:
Announcing the Democrats' bold new "plan" on energy last week, Pelosi said breaking into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve "is one alternative." That's not an energy plan. It's using what we already have -- much like "conservation," which is also part of the Democrats' plan.

Conservation, efficiency and using oil we hold in reserve for emergencies does not get us more energy. It's as if we were running out of food and the Democrats were telling us: "Just eat a little less every day." Great! We'll die a little more slowly. That's not what we call a "plan." We need more energy, not a plan for a slower death.
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7-16-2008 10:49 PM
BobbyRutan
That's some garbage logic comparing oil usage to eating food. I drive a small four cylinder car and drive the speed limit. I am constantly being passed by huge SUV's and trucks. Yet they are the one's to be complaining the loudest.

Conservation, i.e., driving at a reasonable speed, car pooling, and using public transportation are logical steps to take to reduce demand.

Efficiency does not increase the total amount of available energy but it does extend what we can do with what we have available.

Ann Coulter = dunce
7-16-2008 11:36 PM
sillysam
The point is that it doesn't solve the problem. The problem is still there. We are, in effect dieing and a slower pace but we are still dieing You might drive slowly in you 4 cylinder car I might drive fast in my SUV. You will run out of gas. I will run out of gas. You might get 3 days and me only 2. In 3 days BOTH of us will be out of gas. Your conservation might have bought you and extra day of gas but did absolutely nothing to get you or me any more gas. Ann Coulter=right.
7-16-2008 11:41 PM
BobbyRutan
Plleeeaasseeee, to insinuate that no one, especially democrats have made no efforts to mainstream alternative energies is utterly absurd and you know it. Quit playing a fool.
7-17-2008 12:11 AM
Rioting Drone
This is the same broad who wants to pop open the strategic oil reserve and drain ten percent of it.

Mind you that's three days worth of supply of gas.

She says that it will lower the price of gas (scoff).

Whats worse is that the strategic oil reserve would only last thirty days in the event of a "public" crisis. Fortunately for us, our military doesn't have the same demand for energy as the civil population. In the event of needing to fuel the engines of war, It would last just a hair longer. Not much though. Gas turbine engines in tank and ships are fracken gas guzzlers.
7-17-2008 7:21 PM
sillysam
mainstream alternative energies ??????

So let me get this straight...no drilling for oil, a resource which we have, which we have used and continue to use. Instead you want us turn to alternative energy sources that are not available to help anytime in the next 10 years (optimistically) and that may or may not even work.

And you still didn't address the fact that your conservation is doing zilch to get us more fuel in the future.
7-18-2008 8:26 AM
BobbyRutan
No drilling for oil. Oil companies in the U.S. have concessions on 60 million acres of land they haven't even begun to drill on yet. They are trying to take advantage of a "crisis" situation to get legislation passed valuable to them because they know that the public, like "sillysam" is uninformed.

The drilling offshore or in ANWAR won't come on line in 10 years so by your definition drilling there is pointless also.

President Jimmy Carter started an alternative fuel program to free us from oil dependency on the mideast 30 years ago only to have Reagan dismantle it. Don't lecture democrats about alternative energy.
7-18-2008 9:35 AM
jatfla
I agree with you sam...she looking for a quick-fix so that she can claim to have lowered gas prices and exposed the President to more 'failure' language. Mega hubris.

Our economy was doing pretty well until a couple of years ago. How long have the Dems had control of Congress? They would rather spend most of it's time doing frivolous investigations, fighting the cause in Iraq instead of winning it, stonewalling/shelving the legislation the President puts forth instead of voting on it, etc...

Someone has suggested that Obama is the first Anti-American presidential candidate. I say we already have an Anti-American Congress.
7-20-2008 11:31 AM
BobbyRutan
That someone was obviously a moron.

Oil companies already have 60 million acres of leased governmental land that they aren't drilling on. They are simply trying to take advantage of the sky is falling mentality of intellectually weak individuals.

The economy had been doing well because it was based on borrowed spending that was going to correct itself someday. You can't keep spending $300 billion a year on a war funded by Chinese lenders without it coming back to bite you at some point.

The subprime mortgage debacle is yet another example of industries who are left to their own with the typical conservative-republican "hands off" they will regulate themselves BS. Way to go republicans.

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7-20-2008 2:23 PM
Rioting Drone
The sub-prime mortgage debacle is yet another example that the there is a mark born every minute. Only suckers by snake oil my friend.

You notice that the people not loosing their homes are the ones who have a good head on their shoulders about their real estate investments?

Oil companies do have sixty million acres of land that is not surveyed for oil production. They would have to explore it (which is an expensive proposition) or they could use "KNOWN" oil deposits off shore or in the ANWRs.

Eight years ago we tried to secure the rights to do so. Eight years ago would have done something for us now.

Jimmy Carter was one of our worst presidents.

Yes the debt to the Chinese sucks. I wo...
7-21-2008 12:06 AM
BobbyRutan
Even T. Boone Pickens, oil billionaire, doesn't buy the garbage that we can drill our way to oil independence. It wouldn't have made one iota of difference if you had drilled in ANWAR 8 years ago. It would have made some rich oil people richer, hurray!

Carter was a good president in difficult times. He had vision of what we could have avoided that is being played out right now. Bush was handed prosperity and f'*d it up. You will never see W. winning a Nobel Prize, if he manages not to stand trial for war crimes.

7-21-2008 3:38 AM
Rioting Drone
Good president in difficult times?

Why was the inflation atrocious at the end of his term?

Why did he let the Shah of Iran be replaced by the Ayatollahs?

Why did he back moves that led to establishment of the Taliban?

Why did he lie about being a skipper of a submarine?

Why did he stop research into repossessing spent nuclear fuel?

Why did he pardon the draft dodgers of the Vietnam war, when thousands of people drafted served despite not wanting to do it?

Why is it that both Carter and Bush both have managed to embarrass themselves in the presence of the Queen of England?

Why did the "response" to the fall of the U.S. embassy fail?

Why did he give away the Panama Canal, after the U....
7-21-2008 8:31 AM
BobbyRutan
Inflation was atrocious because of the Mideast got their act together and realized what power OPEC had over the U.S. and enacted oil embargoes. Thus Jimmy Carter sought to free us from our oil dependence. That's called being visionary.

The Shah of Iran was replaced by the Ayatollahs because the U.S. had installed the Shah over a democratically elected president, President Mossadeq. The Shah tortured his own people. It was inevitable that they would over throw him.

Jimmy Carter never once backed the establishment of the Taliban. He backed fighting the Russians who invaded Afghanistan by arming the Mussahadeen. The failure of the U.S. was not in arming these soldiers. Its failure was in fail...
7-21-2008 8:34 AM
BobbyRutan
Jiimmy Carter helped to create a peace between Israel and Egypt that has lasted for over 30 years now. That alone has saved the U.S. countless misery.

He also restructred the civil service saving tons of money and streamlining government.

Jimmy Carter deregulated the oil and airline industries.

In Jimmy Carter's four years in office over 8 million jobs were created in the U.S. and our national deficit as a percentage of GDP was decreased.

God forbid we would have had a dunce like George Bush in office during those trying times. It would have been a real disaster.
7-21-2008 1:30 PM
Rioting Drone
So thats why the inflation was at 21 percent at the end of his term, because eight million jobs were created?

BTW It was Ronald who deregulated the oil prices not eight weeks into his term. Check your facts.
7-22-2008 1:46 AM
BobbyRutan
BTW you don't know your facts at all. Hell your only 25 you weren't around then.

The deregulation of the oil industry began in the Carter administration. During the Carter administration price deregulation of oil and gas took place. Complete deregulation was scheduled to take place in 1981. After Reagan won the 1980 election he simply enacted it immediately. Get your facts straight.

Furthermore, I fully stated why the inflation existed. It was due to OPEC curtailing production. The same reason that we had a month of inflation that was the highest in 27 years. If conservatives hadn't f'd up and dismantled Carter's energy program we might be free of this BS by now. And yes 8 million jobs wer...
7-22-2008 11:56 AM
Rioting Drone
Thanks for the lesson. I stand revised.

I still won't call any president a "Hero." Nor will I recognize them as anything greater than pond scum.

7-22-2008 7:51 PM
BobbyRutan
So be it. But technically if you call all presidents pond scum you can't really differentiate between best and worst.

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