Here is what Barack Obama has to say about sanctimonious fools like Steve Baldwin.
I will tell you that I don't believe in gay marriage, but I do think that people who are gay and lesbian should be treated with dignity and respect and that the state should not discriminate against them. So, I believe in civil unions that allow a same-sex couple to visit each other in a hospital or transfer property to each other. I don't think it should be called marriage, but I think that it is a legal right that they should have that is recognized by the state. If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more centr...

Here is what Barack Obama has to say about sanctimonious fools like Steve Baldwin.
I will tell you that I don't believe in gay marriage, but I do think that people who are gay and lesbian should be treated with dignity and respect and that the state should not discriminate against them. So, I believe in civil unions that allow a same-sex couple to visit each other in a hospital or transfer property to each other. I don't think it should be called marriage, but I think that it is a legal right that they should have that is recognized by the state. If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans. That's my view. But we can have a respectful disagreement on that. Watch Obama's solicitude on youtube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZPxCotpqLQ

Lemme tell you why I do believe in gay marriage; because it is a basic human right and a personal choice.
Here are the comments from the 1960's of one interracial man and woman:

This sort of marriage is not in the best interest of children.”
“God has a plan for marriage and this isn’t it.” “Allowing
this kind of marriage will pave the way for all sorts of moral depravity.”

Allowing gays to get hitched will not destroy the institution of marriage . . . and therefore the nation, the world, the planet, the solar system, and the whole damned universe.

"Promoting hatred and bigotry in the name of God is what destroys
society, not the marriage of two loving people of ...

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Lemme tell you why I do believe in gay marriage; because it is a basic human right and a personal choice.
Here are the comments from the 1960's of one interracial man and woman:

This sort of marriage is not in the best interest of children.”
“God has a plan for marriage and this isn’t it.” “Allowing
this kind of marriage will pave the way for all sorts of moral depravity.”

Allowing gays to get hitched will not destroy the institution of marriage . . . and therefore the nation, the world, the planet, the solar system, and the whole damned universe.

"Promoting hatred and bigotry in the name of God is what destroys
society, not the marriage of two loving people of the same gender."
Raymond Miller.

While Barrack takes a step in the right direction by opening dialogue, I feel he tries to side step the issue. Over 1000 federal rights and priviledges that married couple recieve automatically would be withheld from civil unionized couples because of the federal DOMA law.

The bottom line here is that gays are being discriminated against just like African Americans were. They weren't even allowed to marry in all parts of the US until after the civil war. And inter-racial marriage was still prohibited in at least 16 states until 1967.
But it was only until recently that same-sex couples could marry anywhere in the world.

If you feel that it is personally or morally wrong for this reason or that reason for gays to marry then more power to you! Don't enter into a same-sex relationship! But don't withhold the right to happiness to others who are different from you. These are people's lives we are talking about here.

Zazel, thank you for this clip. I have one you might find of interest.
http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/9EAA6E6E-B9A8-4640-BE80-B837BEC2AE16/

Of course, you understand like I do baby that it's a hot button issue and the more "political" I become, th

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You do bring up an interesting point Jatfla. It is indeed significant that in all His public denunciations Jesus Christ never once mentioned homosexuality. He railed against divorce, adultery, cold-heartedness, moneygrubbing, and hypocrisy. But, even though homosexuality existed in His time, He neither condoned nor condemned it. In fact, He didn't say one word about it.
Surely, if homosexuality were the evil evangelicals say it is, Jesus would have had left us some clear, strong, unmistakable message. He didn't and He must have mad a conscious decision not to. It didn't just slip His mind.
But listen, those who want to put Jesus on the sidelines can indeed find a bag of goods wit...

Well,
You do bring up an interesting point Jatfla. It is indeed significant that in all His public denunciations Jesus Christ never once mentioned homosexuality. He railed against divorce, adultery, cold-heartedness, moneygrubbing, and hypocrisy. But, even though homosexuality existed in His time, He neither condoned nor condemned it. In fact, He didn't say one word about it.
Surely, if homosexuality were the evil evangelicals say it is, Jesus would have had left us some clear, strong, unmistakable message. He didn't and He must have mad a conscious decision not to. It didn't just slip His mind.
But listen, those who want to put Jesus on the sidelines can indeed find a bag of goods with Paul, Sodom, Leviticus, and Gomorrah and The Book Of Kings. Plenty of ammunition there; until you take a good second look.
Again, I don't fault you for believing your particular interpretations of Biblical truths. That is your right! I have no "bone" to pick with you on that. But just realize that it is also the right of others to not be discriminated against because they are different. "Different" may mean sinful to you, and I respect that. You have your particular right to believe what you want to believe. But not everyone believes the same and you may think that these are "God's truth's" not your truths, but the truth of the matter is that I know that God made me this way and I know He loves me. I know it's not a "choice" for me to be bisexual. It's who I am. And I know this because I've lived it, Jatfla. My whole life. And I know my Heavenly Father too. He's the kind of Father who is so crazily in love with me and you that by Earthly standards, it would be literally insane.
So, having said all of that, I know I won't ever change your mind. And that's ok with me. It really is.

That is true Jatfla, there are tons of no no's in Leviticus, such as getting a haircut or trimming your beard, eating pork, wearing clothing made of two different kinds of material, planting two different crops in the same field, and approaching the altar of God if you have any particular eye defects.
I think Steve Baldwin is entitled to his particular interpretations of Scripture, but I think maybe Alec finds his opinions narrow at best and used to discriminate against a whole group of people and he feels that is wrong and he should speak to that.
But you bring up another interesting point and that is that Roman society strongly disapproved of lesbianism while remaining relatively tolerant ...

That is true Jatfla, there are tons of no no's in Leviticus, such as getting a haircut or trimming your beard, eating pork, wearing clothing made of two different kinds of material, planting two different crops in the same field, and approaching the altar of God if you have any particular eye defects.
I think Steve Baldwin is entitled to his particular interpretations of Scripture, but I think maybe Alec finds his opinions narrow at best and used to discriminate against a whole group of people and he feels that is wrong and he should speak to that.
But you bring up another interesting point and that is that Roman society strongly disapproved of lesbianism while remaining relatively tolerant of male homosexuality. Classical Greeks were also most definitely patriarchal with women subservient to men. Women obtained power only when they became a wife and they were for the most part isolated in their homes and did not mix in the society of men. Of course there is Sappho, although she herself is believed to be bisexual. But in general relationships between women were sparse. Women had their place in ancient society and they knew better than to not follow by the rules.