Are you referring to the fact that you are a lesbian??? Hell Chestnut, I know I'm probably a lesbian and I embrace that side of myself. Why would I hate it?? I never hated it, I just had barriers that blocked the path to this particular self-awareness.

I mean the bigger question is to what degree is a woman able to autonomously self-determine her own path toward sexuality in the United States of America?

Now listen Chestnut, if you are referring to TN as my "sleezy drunken friend" that was such an ignorant thing to say and I don't know why you would say it. TN and I both may joke about beer but we both hardly drink at all in real life, and she is a wonderful person whom I love dearly a...

Are you referring to the fact that you are a lesbian??? Hell Chestnut, I know I'm probably a lesbian and I embrace that side of myself. Why would I hate it?? I never hated it, I just had barriers that blocked the path to this particular self-awareness.

I mean the bigger question is to what degree is a woman able to autonomously self-determine her own path toward sexuality in the United States of America?

Now listen Chestnut, if you are referring to TN as my "sleezy drunken friend" that was such an ignorant thing to say and I don't know why you would say it. TN and I both may joke about beer but we both hardly drink at all in real life, and she is a wonderful person whom I love dearly as a friend. I won't stand by and let anyone attack her without defending her because that is what friendship is all about.

Then tell me how you live your life.

I am not "spinning". In fact, I try to be honest, but let's not talk in some "code." Just spit it out.

OK,
You accused me of being afraid to be a lesbian. For starters, I have surrounded myself in real life with mature lesbians and I do find their company refreshing. Sooooooo . . .
Let me be honest of my life's experience.

For some women, I believe the attractions to other females are so strong and so deniable that they must go against the grain of society to be themselves, and for other's I feel it is much more ambiguous, and I fall into this category . The question of why I married a man without allowing myself to consider the variety of ways ...

Then tell me how you live your life.

I am not "spinning". In fact, I try to be honest, but let's not talk in some "code." Just spit it out.

OK,
You accused me of being afraid to be a lesbian. For starters, I have surrounded myself in real life with mature lesbians and I do find their company refreshing. Sooooooo . . .
Let me be honest of my life's experience.

For some women, I believe the attractions to other females are so strong and so deniable that they must go against the grain of society to be themselves, and for other's I feel it is much more ambiguous, and I fall into this category . The question of why I married a man without allowing myself to consider the variety of ways that I could live out my life is deeply complex. Female socialization and role expectations and the weight of tradition, within the framework of a patriarchal society are a few good reasons. It was clear to me that was the only option presented and if I even entertained the notion of any other idea, I kept it very secret.

Debby, It's not that I don't want to talk to you here. It's that I can't. To spell it out as you say. I'm afraid to. I'm afraid of you and your friends. You scare the hell out of me. You don't seem to care at all about my feelings. You know I have a problem with depression but that doesn't seem to matter to you at all. I have to protect myself. I don't know where you come from. Where I came from, there were no sides. People could walk down the street without being afraid of being ambushed. There were no gangs or gang leaders. I don't know how to survive in your world. I don't even know what the rules are. That's why I'll only talk to you one on one, not some place where your posse can jump m...

Debby, It's not that I don't want to talk to you here. It's that I can't. To spell it out as you say. I'm afraid to. I'm afraid of you and your friends. You scare the hell out of me. You don't seem to care at all about my feelings. You know I have a problem with depression but that doesn't seem to matter to you at all. I have to protect myself. I don't know where you come from. Where I came from, there were no sides. People could walk down the street without being afraid of being ambushed. There were no gangs or gang leaders. I don't know how to survive in your world. I don't even know what the rules are. That's why I'll only talk to you one on one, not some place where your posse can jump me at a moments notice. We can make the rules up as we go along. You'll have the power to control everything. That I can deal with. I'll tell you something, you will never find another lesbian in this world who will have the patience with you that I've already have had with you. And no disrespect intended, but what I've seen, you're about as ready as a 17 year old is to enter into a promising relationship. I'm sure you've heard that many lesbians would never even enter into a relationship with a first timer, and I'm not talking about first time sex, I'm talking about first time commitment, living together. You don't have time for that. Besides it would be really nice if you could be spared the heartache. If you're anything like me, once you get hurt really bad, you won't be able to enter into another relationship for years. Perhaps you've decided not to do get involved anyway. Ok, now you have to deal with the anger. And you have so much anger now.....you need a posse. Can you take the truth Debby? Is that what you really want to hear? It would be a lot easier for you to hear it in private and I can't tell you any other way. So think about it. That's my offer. It's your call, you're in control....always.

Just when I think, you can't make a bigger fool of yourself, than you already have, you go and prove me wrong. Hahahaha!

Well, at least we've finally come full circle;

Do me a favor and go back and read the comments on debbyski's last clip that you just popped. If it doesn't all make sense to you now, it will later. ( it's I got you babe ) In fact, let's have everyone read it.

I totally agree! I think we should have everyone read it! I'll even throw in the link for you. .

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/B8445A41-178E-42F5-B2B0-A4891D918ED5/

If it "doesn't all make sense to you" now, chez, then maybe it never will, Who cares?

Or... here...

Just when I think, you can't make a bigger fool of yourself, than you already have, you go and prove me wrong. Hahahaha!

Well, at least we've finally come full circle;

Do me a favor and go back and read the comments on debbyski's last clip that you just popped. If it doesn't all make sense to you now, it will later. ( it's I got you babe ) In fact, let's have everyone read it.

I totally agree! I think we should have everyone read it! I'll even throw in the link for you. .

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/B8445A41-178E-42F5-B2B0-A4891D918ED5/

If it "doesn't all make sense to you" now, chez, then maybe it never will, Who cares?

Or... here's an idea! Seeing that you have designated yourself several times, as the clip-police, why don't you just turn me in? In fact, I really think you should turn me in. Go on. Go tell the clipdaddies your theory.

Now toddle off... oh, and here's a final piece of advice I'll throw in, free of charge. Forcing yourself upon people and thinking you'll get ahead, by attacking all their friends and family, is NOT the way to go about it, but perhaps this clip will help you figure that out. Better luck next time, you loser.

Game over. .

Damnit,

I promised I wouldn't comment on this clip, but it's so laughable that I can't stand it.

Here is the third possibility!!! We, are indeed, two separate people. OMG, now I have seen inside the mind of a conspirasist.

*LOL* TN, I bet you are loving that comment about you being smarter than me.

And yes, I am madly in love with TN. *sarcasm*

I mean, who would give a FUCK if I was??? Whose business would it be???

Chestnut, news FLASH, TN is straight. I have had straight male and female friends my whole life and I'm not into the masochism of falling in love with someone who is incapable of returning my affections.

A...

Damnit,

I promised I wouldn't comment on this clip, but it's so laughable that I can't stand it.

Here is the third possibility!!! We, are indeed, two separate people. OMG, now I have seen inside the mind of a conspirasist.

*LOL* TN, I bet you are loving that comment about you being smarter than me.

And yes, I am madly in love with TN. *sarcasm*

I mean, who would give a FUCK if I was??? Whose business would it be???

Chestnut, news FLASH, TN is straight. I have had straight male and female friends my whole life and I'm not into the masochism of falling in love with someone who is incapable of returning my affections.

And secondly, I have a girlfriend and have had one for quite a while--in real life.

For one thing, I never read debbyski's clips nor the comments.

You liar!

and continually tries to use me in attempts to make you jealous.

Oh, get over yourself!!! I use clipmarks because I enjoy it! I enjoy the diversity and reading the clips, and the comments. All I know is I had one converstation with you a long time ago about a pick up truck or some dumb fucking thing and the next thing I know you started leaving comments about how you were in love with me on my clips. It made me feel uncomfortable to have a complete stranger, who does not know me say something like that.
Having said that, the nature of clipmarks is to have interaction with other clippers and I've given you several chances to be able to participate on discussion on my clips.
If I have one fault (and TN will tell you this) it's that I am too kind. I like to think of it as my greatest assest, but it is also a fault. I try to see the goodness in other's as much as I can and it often gets me in trouble, but I'm not going to change that about myself. It's what makes me the person I am; a good person.

Try on this option for size, chez:

Deb and I are the best of friends. Close as two peas in a pod. (Did you ever see Beaches?) We stick together and stand up for each other, when called for. It's called loyalty. Deb and her family would walk through fire for me if needed (and have), and I would do the same for them, anyday. We can always count on each other. Maybe you've never had a real friend or a close friends, so maybe you don't understand that.

Let me tell you a story; Once when we were out, there was this really sleezy guy, who just wouldn't take no for answer, despite being told multiple times, that I was not interested. Cabanaben then stepped up and said to the guy: "Th...

Try on this option for size, chez:

Deb and I are the best of friends. Close as two peas in a pod. (Did you ever see Beaches?) We stick together and stand up for each other, when called for. It's called loyalty. Deb and her family would walk through fire for me if needed (and have), and I would do the same for them, anyday. We can always count on each other. Maybe you've never had a real friend or a close friends, so maybe you don't understand that.

Let me tell you a story; Once when we were out, there was this really sleezy guy, who just wouldn't take no for answer, despite being told multiple times, that I was not interested. Cabanaben then stepped up and said to the guy: "The lady says she's not interested. Now leave her alone" etc etc and he got the creep off my case. Do you see the parallels, to what YOU are doing?

Your pocket-psychology is just as weird as you are, but if it makes you happy, you can think whatever you choose. Anything at all! It matters not the least to me. Your not right in the head and you'll come up with a new conspiracy or a new theory again tomorrow, like you always do. So think whatever you choose. No matter what we tell you, you will anyway. and I couldn't care less! Just quit stalking Deb and throwing yourself at her every time she talks to you and quit getting in MY face, bitching and making snide comments every time you fail and also quit blaming everyone else (the supposed "posse") for your own shortcomings and inability to impress. Get a life, for heaven's sake! Go to a dating site, or something. That's it. That's all we ask. Quit stalking deb and quit taking your frustrations out on me and her other friends and family.

Do you think you can do that? Huh?

@debs
*smooooooch* babe!

@chestnut
Goodbye and good riddence.